# Anduril and Palmer Luckey **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** anduril, palmer-luckey\ **Created:** [11 November 2025 05:28 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161 "2025-11-11T05:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/citizen_bitcoin/32/19488_2.png) [@Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Citizen_bitcoin)\ **Post date:** [25 March 2026 05:37 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/81 "2026-03-25T05:37:23Z")
> **[Disclose.tv](https://t.me/disclosetv/20478)** > > NEW - Anduril and Palantir to develop software to run Trump’s Golden Dome antimissile shield. > > Read here: https://www.disclose.tv/id/rczdrieu5w/ > > @disclosetv [https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/anduril-palantir-developing-golden-dome-missile-shields-software-source-says-2026-03-24/](https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/anduril-palantir-developing-golden-dome-missile-shields-software-source-says-2026-03-24/) > Anduril and Palantir Technologies [(PLTR.O)](https://www.reuters.com/markets/companies/PLTR.O) are working together to develop software for ​U.S. President Donald Trump’s Golden Dome anti-missile shield initiative, ‌a source familiar with the matter said on Tuesday. > > The [$185 billion](https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-expands-golden-dome-cost-estimate-185-billion-enlists-top-defense-firms-2026-03-17/) Golden Dome missile defense project aims to build a ​space-based shield capable of intercepting ballistic, cruise ​and hypersonic missiles, with hundreds of companies vying ⁠for a role in developing the shield. ---
**Author:** ![Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/citizen_bitcoin/32/19488_2.png) [@Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Citizen_bitcoin)\ **Post date:** [24 April 2026 02:20 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/82 "2026-04-24T02:20:17Z")
> [@Modern Warfare](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/modern-warfare/3858/843): > > Sanderson Border Patrol Agents and Texas Department of Public Safety Special Operations Group working [#OperationLoneStar](https://twitter.com/hashtag/OperationLoneStar?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) apprehended a group of three illegal aliens this morning here in Terrell County. This group was initially detected by an Anduril Autonomous Surveillance… [pic.twitter.com/JTujmoabDt](https://t.co/JTujmoabDt) — Sheriff Thaddeus Cleveland (@SheriffThad) [April 22, 2026](https://twitter.com/SheriffThad/status/2046947267270111313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) ---
**Author:** ![Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/citizen_bitcoin/32/19488_2.png) [@Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Citizen_bitcoin)\ **Post date:** [14 May 2026 10:10 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/83 "2026-05-14T10:10:12Z")
> **[Anduril doubles valuation to over $60 billion as defense tech funding boom...](https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/13/anduril-valuation-defense-tech-funding-boom.html)** > > The company is working on space-based interceptors for Trump's $185 billion Golden Dome defense system ---
**Author:** ![Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/citizen_bitcoin/32/19488_2.png) [@Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Citizen_bitcoin)\ **Post date:** [21 May 2026 10:50 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/84 "2026-05-21T10:50:19Z")
> **[Palmer Luckey Wants America To Win](https://www.hoover.org/research/palmer-luckey-wants-america-win)** > > Anduril founder Palmer Luckey argues that America must rethink everything from defense procurement to manufacturing, innovation, and national identity itself.  ---
**Author:** ![Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/citizen_bitcoin/32/19488_2.png) [@Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Citizen_bitcoin)\ **Post date:** [21 May 2026 14:25 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/85 "2026-05-21T14:25:46Z")
Palmer Luckey: “Stop patenting everything. Patents are Chinese instruction manuals.” ---
**Author:** ![eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/eggspurt/32/3686_2.png) [@eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/eggspurt)\ **Post date:** [25 May 2026 03:11 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/86 "2026-05-25T03:11:21Z")
You cannot have an enforceable secret patent. What happens under a secrecy order (37 CFR 5.2) is that the USPTO refuses to issue a patent for national security reasons. But @CTLaw will maybe correct me. ---
**Author:** ![drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/drlorentz/32/902_2.png) [@drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/drlorentz)\ **Post date:** [25 May 2026 03:48 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/87 "2026-05-25T03:48:02Z")
> [@eggspurt](#): > > You cannot have an enforceable secret patent I think this is incorrect, or at least, it was in the past. [Gordon Gould](https://grokipedia.com/page/Gordon_Gould#patent-disputes-and-legal-battles) and his partners made a lot of money because the US Government imposed such a secrecy order. > Gould’s 20% share, and other stakeholders—generated over $100 million in total royalties from laser manufacturers The larger point is that trade secrets are an alternative to patents — a much better one in my experience. _Don’t patent_ is not the same as _don’t protect your IP_. Patents run out in 20 years; trade secrets can last much longer. Case-in-point: the Coca Cola Company. ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [25 May 2026 11:05 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/88 "2026-05-25T11:05:31Z")
> [@drlorentz](#): > > think this is incorrect, or at least, it was in the past. [Gordon Gould](https://grokipedia.com/page/Gordon_Gould#patent-disputes-and-legal-battles) and his partners made a lot of money because the US Government imposed such a secrecy order. That was under a long gone legal system in a long gone world. Now, the effect of a secrecy order is almost always going to be detrimental. Under that system, the patent term was 17 years from grant. So something that delayed grant likely pushed the lifespan out to a time when the market would be even greater. No longer. At best you now can recoup up to 5 years after 20 from earliest filing. Also, at that time, the US was by far the world‘s largest market for almost everything. So, a US patent might be worth more than patents in the rest of the world combined. No longer. The secrecy order effectively prevents you from filing abroad. So, there is a substantial likelihood that a foreign competitor might file while your application is under secrecy order. Thus, they obtain patents in the rest of the world. ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [25 May 2026 11:20 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/89 "2026-05-25T11:20:32Z")
> [@drlorentz](#): > > The larger point is that trade secrets are an alternative to patents — a much better one in my experience. _Don’t patent_ is not the same as _don’t protect your IP_. Patents run out in 20 years; trade secrets can last much longer. Case-in-point: the Coca Cola Company. At multiple levels, that is a suis generis situation unlike anything we can expect in the modern economy. Most trade secrets are things that can’t be as limited in distribution as aspects of the Coca-Cola formula are. Temporally, things are different at both ends of the scale. On the one hand, it may be more important to stop a competitor early in the lifespan of a company. On the other hand, most trade secrets are of the type that do not retain relevance after more than a few years thereafter. They can be stolen, reverse engineered, or simply superseded. A patent may keep you going for the medium term during which you may enjoy a combination of first mover advantage and network effects. ---
**Author:** ![drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/drlorentz/32/902_2.png) [@drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/drlorentz)\ **Post date:** [25 May 2026 21:02 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/90 "2026-05-25T21:02:42Z")
> [@CTLaw](#): > > At multiple levels, that is a suis generis situation unlike anything we can expect in the modern economy. Well, it worked just great for me. Patents were 100% a waste of money for our company. In one instance, we kept a technology as a trade secret, finally applying for a patent decades later. That patent was issued in 2020.\* Had we obtained a patent in 1993, when it was invented, the patent would have long since expired and anyone could have stolen it. As it was, we had **zero** competitors. Indeed, our entire business plan was to operate in situations where there was no competition. I believe Peter Thiel [wrote a book](https://grokipedia.com/page/zero_to_one_note_on_start_ups_or_how_to_build_the_future_(book)) about that — in a modern economy. \*You know which one ---
**Author:** ![drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/drlorentz/32/902_2.png) [@drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/drlorentz)\ **Post date:** [25 May 2026 21:05 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/91 "2026-05-25T21:05:18Z")
> [@CTLaw](#): > > Also, at that time, the US was by far the world‘s largest market for almost everything. So, a US patent might be worth more than patents in the rest of the world combined. No longer. The kinds of techology that Palmer Luckey deals with is not the same as your typical product. There’s also such a thing as ITAR. ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [25 May 2026 21:10 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/92 "2026-05-25T21:10:43Z")
> [@drlorentz](#): > > In one instance, we kept a technology as a trade secret, finally applying for a patent decades later. That patent was issued in 2020.\* Ask Grok about the legal implications. > [@drlorentz](#): > > As it was, we had **zero** competitors. Indeed, our entire business plan was to operate in situations where there was no competition. So that’s another niche situation where you could keep it secret. So we are not even remotely at a general rule. ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [25 May 2026 21:16 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/93 "2026-05-25T21:16:54Z")
> [@drlorentz](#): > > The kinds of techology that Palmer Luckey deals with is not the same as your typical product. So are we agreed that this theory of not patenting does not apply to the “typical product” or typical service? > [@drlorentz](#): > > There’s also such a thing as ITAR. That’s why the USPTO has the secrecy review that can lead to a secrecy order. If they clear it, they publish it (unless you are only filing in the US and request it not be published). ---
**Author:** ![drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/drlorentz/32/902_2.png) [@drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/drlorentz)\ **Post date:** [25 May 2026 22:22 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/94 "2026-05-25T22:22:39Z")
> [@CTLaw](#): > > So are we agreed that this theory of not patenting does not apply to the “typical product” or typical service? Need I remind you what the subject of this thread is? More specifically, the quote is from Palmer Luckey, who does not make “typical products.” Both Palmer and I are in the same line of business. The products are not typical. Addendum: These products are generally not available to the population at large, who could reverse engineer them. Such hardware is often classified, strengthening their secrecy protection. ---
**Author:** ![drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/drlorentz/32/902_2.png) [@drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/drlorentz)\ **Post date:** [25 May 2026 22:23 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/95 "2026-05-25T22:23:12Z")
> [@CTLaw](#): > > So that’s another niche situation where you could keep it secret. So we are not even remotely at a general rule. Not as rare as you might imagine. ---
**Author:** ![drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/drlorentz/32/902_2.png) [@drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/drlorentz)\ **Post date:** [26 May 2026 00:25 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/96 "2026-05-26T00:25:28Z")
> [@CTLaw](#): > > Ask Grok about the legal implications. You know, it doesn’t really matter since, had we applied for a patent in 1993, it would have expired before 2020. Filing for the patent was a total waste of time and money but it wasn’t my decision. I’d rather have the $30k it cost than another useless patent with my name on it. Afterthought: It would have been much more productive to spend that $30k on fast women and slow horses, though it might have been tricky to classify those as business expenses. Reminded me of this. “A fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas (originally Dallas).” ![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/4tP9yQVnQU4/maxresdefault.jpg)https://www.youtube.com/embed/4tP9yQVnQU4?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/citizen_bitcoin/32/19488_2.png) [@Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Citizen_bitcoin)\ **Post date:** [8 August 2026 04:05 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/97 "2026-08-08T04:05:19Z")
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**Author:** ![drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/drlorentz/32/902_2.png) [@drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/drlorentz)\ **Post date:** [26 August 2026 18:02 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/98 "2026-08-26T18:02:45Z")
> Palmer Luckey on H-1B visas: > > "You would not believe what I saw in Silicon Valley. The H-1B abuse is insane. It is obviously a scam to replace US workers with, basically, slave labor that can’t ever escape." [pic.twitter.com/SU8xZAoLuD](https://t.co/SU8xZAoLuD) > > — Geiger Capital (@Geiger\_Capital) [August 26, 2026](https://x.com/Geiger_Capital/status/2092612012106723412?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) ---
**Author:** ![drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/drlorentz/32/902_2.png) [@drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/drlorentz)\ **Post date:** [26 August 2026 18:05 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/99 "2026-08-26T18:05:17Z")
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**Author:** ![Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/citizen_bitcoin/32/19488_2.png) [@Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Citizen_bitcoin)\ **Post date:** [30 August 2026 05:48 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161/100 "2026-08-30T05:48:36Z")
I was thinking about this a couple days ago… what if France stayed neutral, i.e. refused to comply with their treaty with Russia? Austria declares war on Serbia after getting a blank check from Germany, Russia declares war on Austria and starts mobilization… France stays out… Austria and Serbia stalemate or something similar… Serbia was not going to defeat Austria, Austria didn’t have the military might to conquer Serbia… this is a 12 month confilct but most likely 6 months or less if France remained neutral Edit: In hindisght, the West should have told Tsar Nicholas to stay out of the war or negotiate a ceasefire to focus on domestic affairs and fight the Bolshevik revolution [Previous page](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161.md?page=4) [Next page](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/anduril-and-palmer-luckey/6161.md?page=6)