### Author:  [@jabowery](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/jabowery)
#### Post date: [29 December 2024 21:37 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/27 "2024-12-29T21:37:00Z")
John Derbyshire weighs in on the “legal” immigration eruption on X:
> **[Radio Derb December 27 2024](https://rumble.com/v63iddh-radio-derb-december-27-2024.html)**
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> Radio Derb Podcast, 12/27/2024 Table of Contents • 01m28s America First, Americans First • 06m50s End guest-worker visas • 13m48s Does Trump remember his first term? • 21m27s Importing an overclass (c
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### Author:  [@Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Citizen_bitcoin)
#### Post date: [30 December 2024 06:18 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/28 "2024-12-30T06:18:31Z")
> **[How & Why Government, Universities, & Industry Create Domestic Labor...](https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/how-why-government-universities-industry-create-domestic-labor-shortages-of-scientists-high-tech-workers)**
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> Long term labor shortages do not happen naturally in market economies.
From 2017 by Eric Weinstein
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### Author:  [@eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/eggspurt)
#### Post date: [1 January 2025 13:32 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/29 "2025-01-01T13:32:32Z")
Here’s a good article (h/t @CTLaw):
> **[Which companies have the most employees working on an H-1B visa?](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-h1b-work-visa-tesla-technology/)**
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> Tesla founder Elon Musk is a vocal proponent of H-1B visas, and his company's use of the program jumped sharply this year.
I restructured the data from this article in (what I think) better way with ChatGPT, but didn’t double-check it:
> Here is the updated spreadsheet with the companies, their approved H-1B petitions in 2024, official URLs, and the number of employees in the USA:
| Company | Approved Petitions | URL | Employees in USA | Global Employees |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Amazon | 3,871 | [https://www.amazon.com](https://www.amazon.com) | 1,125,300 | 1,540,000 |
| Cognizant | 2,837 | [https://www.cognizant.com](https://www.cognizant.com) | 41,000 | 351,500 |
| Infosys | 2,504 | [https://www.infosys.com](https://www.infosys.com) | N/A | 343,000 |
| Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) | 1,452 | [https://www.tcs.com](https://www.tcs.com) | N/A | 612,724 |
| IBM | 1,348 | [https://www.ibm.com](https://www.ibm.com) | 282,200 | 311,300 |
| Microsoft | 1,264 | [https://www.microsoft.com](https://www.microsoft.com) | 122,000 | 221,000 |
| HCL America | 1,248 | [https://www.hcltech.com](https://www.hcltech.com) | N/A | 225,944 |
| Google | 1,058 | [https://www.google.com](https://www.google.com) | N/A | 190,234 |
| Capgemini | 1,041 | [https://www.capgemini.com](https://www.capgemini.com) | N/A | 358,400 |
| Meta Platforms | 920 | [https://about.meta.com](https://about.meta.com) | N/A | 66,185 |
| Deloitte | 891 | [https://www2.deloitte.com](https://www2.deloitte.com) | N/A | 415,000 |
| Apple | 864 | [https://www.apple.com](https://www.apple.com) | N/A | 164,000 |
| Intel | 851 | [https://www.intel.com](https://www.intel.com) | N/A | 131,900 |
| Accenture | 833 | [https://www.accenture.com](https://www.accenture.com) | N/A | 738,000 |
| LTIMindtree | 798 | [https://www.ltimindtree.com](https://www.ltimindtree.com) | N/A | 90,000 |
| Tesla | 742 | [https://www.tesla.com](https://www.tesla.com) | N/A | 127,855 |
| Ernst & Young (EY) | 741 | [https://www.ey.com](https://www.ey.com) | N/A | 365,399 |
| Goldman Sachs | 678 | [https://www.goldmansachs.com](https://www.goldmansachs.com) | N/A | 45,100 |
| Wipro | 609 | [https://www.wipro.com](https://www.wipro.com) | N/A | 231,671 |
| Walmart | 654 | [https://www.walmart.com](https://www.walmart.com) | N/A | 2,100,000 |
The global number kinda makes you think about how many high-tech USA jobs every one of those H1B’s at Cognizant/Tata/Wipro moves to India!
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### Author:  [@pturmel](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/pturmel)
#### Post date: [1 January 2025 16:11 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/30 "2025-01-01T16:11:53Z")
You have to account for the fact that an “approved” petition simply moves forward to the lottery, where the odds of actual visa issuance is ~ 10%.
Towards the end of Trump’s first term, he got a final rule through (much legal resistance) that replaced the lottery with a simple sort by salary, with preference to higher salaries. The flooding of the lottery with low salary applications is what makes it possible for the H1-B system to be gamed for cheap foreign “skilled” labor.
Biden withdrew the rule immediately.
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### Author:  [@jabowery](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/jabowery)
#### Post date: [3 January 2025 21:08 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/31 "2025-01-03T21:08:10Z")
> [@pturmel](#):
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> Towards the end of Trump’s first term, he got a final rule through (much legal resistance) that replaced the lottery with a simple sort by salary, with preference to higher salaries.
My late colleague Randall J Burns proposed (on vdare) an auction\* system that would in effect function as a tariff on imported labor.
Does Trump have enough sense to do this given all his talk of tariffs and how wonderful they are?
I seriously doubt it. The fundamental game being played by India is importation of its much more highly evolved rent seeking culture to lock into place the network effect monopolies that are centralizing the harvest of the West’s technological creativity. Even the best of our ruling class such as Trump are chumps in their view.
\* Another benefit of such an auction: Estimate the value of US residence. In that article about H-1b Randy looked into such things as Hindu dowry enhancements for green card possession, which can be quite substantial.
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### Author:  [@pturmel](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/pturmel)
#### Post date: [4 January 2025 00:22 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/32 "2025-01-04T00:22:18Z")
Sorting H1B applications to prefer the higher-salaried jobs is essentially an auction, where the basis is the buyer’s assessment of the applicants value to the US economy. (Of _ **course** _ Biden killed it.)
I would also remove the barrier to job changes, as long as the new job is equal or higher pay.
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### Author:  [@Hypatia](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Hypatia)
#### Post date: [4 January 2025 00:52 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/33 "2025-01-04T00:52:55Z")
Since reading Olivia Murray’s piece in Am Thinker today, I feel like this whole debate is polishing silver in a burning house. She says 1100 anchor babies are being born per day. Over 400,000/ year. And we’re paying for it. Unless we get rid of birthright citizenship we are headed for a brave new world: the Third World. GOD I hope Trump can end it.
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### Author:  [@Mettelus](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Mettelus)
#### Post date: [4 January 2025 01:21 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/34 "2025-01-04T01:21:35Z")
This was one of my points. It isn’t a priority relative to stopping the invasion, anchor babies, DEI and ESG, cleaning house on the bureaucracy.
I fear the visa issues will be used to kill any immigration reform.
Use the tech bros to get done what we agree on.
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### Author:  [@Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Gavin)
#### Post date: [4 January 2025 01:40 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/35 "2025-01-04T01:40:22Z")
> [@Hypatia](#):
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> She says 1100 anchor babies are being born per day.
Look on the bright side! According to the US National Debt Clock, each of those anchor babies and their then-anchored parents owes $106, 802. Assuming there are both mother and father, that is over $300,000 debt they are assuming on our behalf. Throw in the grandparents and all the uncles & aunts that the late very-unlamented Teddie Kennedy wanted to come in, and we are starting to talk about real money.
Let’s not worry about anchor babies – or even illegal immigrants. Let’s just start to insist on them paying their share of the National Debt up-front in cash.
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### Author:  [@jabowery](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/jabowery)
#### Post date: [4 January 2025 01:59 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/36 "2025-01-04T01:59:35Z")
The problem with salary alone as auction substitute is the lack of price discovery of the value of US residency. A major factor that Burns was trying to bring to light was immigration policy dilution of the value of US citizenship to US citizens. If you have a price tag on that you can start to compare the net assets of the general population in conventional financial terms to the undercover erosion of that value by immigration. Note I said ‘start.’ when you take a population that is largely in the hole in terms of net worth due to centralization of wealth by the 16th amendment and then you admit that they actually have a hidden financial asset which gets them out of the hole to positive value you might be able to estimate the point at which violence could break out due to theft of that value by those benefiting from lower labor costs from immigration.
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### Author:  [@pturmel](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/pturmel)
#### Post date: [4 January 2025 15:14 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/37 "2025-01-04T15:14:20Z")
> [@jabowery](#):
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> lack of price discovery of the value of US residency
My gut says that will be moot if we actually achieve the immigration pace the American people are currently insisting on. My gut also says that my recommendation is currently politically possible as a baby step, considering that Trump actually did it once already.
The left, with the help of perfidious republicans, got us into this mess one ratchet click at a time. Fortunately, the ratchet click of mass amnesty hasn’t occurred in the past couple decades, so the parts that are currently **illegal** can be backed out purely with enforcement. The **legal** mechanisms will need a focused reverse-ratchet campaign.
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### Author:  [@Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Gavin)
#### Post date: [4 January 2025 17:57 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/38 "2025-01-04T17:57:18Z")
> [@pturmel](#):
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> My gut says that will be moot if we actually achieve the immigration pace the American people are currently insisting on.
Since when has what the American people insisted on mattered? Is this a “democracy” or what?
Something like 4 out of 5 Americans are opposed to Political Correctness. How often do 4 out of 5 Americans agree on anything? And yet we have been getting Wokeness crammed down our throats for years. Only about 10% of Americans think that Congress is worth as much as a tinker’s damn, and yet CongressCritters sit there quite comfortably growing personally richer … knowing that they are more likely to die in office than to be voted out.
I am fully supportive of your views on immigration matters, by the way. But it does not appear that our elected officials and our unelected bureaucrats care what We the People think.
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### Author:  [@Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Citizen_bitcoin)
#### Post date: [4 January 2025 20:59 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/39 "2025-01-04T20:59:37Z")
NEW - Asylum seekers arriving in the Netherlands become a burden on the state for generations, a new study has found.
“The negative contribution is especially large for asylum seekers from Africa and the Middle East,” say the authors.
> **[Asylum seekers 'drain money from Dutch state for generations'](https://www.disclose.tv/id/0j5v41h8tw/)**
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> Breaking news from around the world.
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### Author:  [@Mettelus](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Mettelus)
#### Post date: [5 January 2025 03:37 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/dear-immigrants/4800/40 "2025-01-05T03:37:57Z")
> [@Gavin](#):
>
> Something like 4 out of 5 Americans are opposed to Political Correctness. How often do 4 out of 5 Americans agree on anything? And yet we have been getting Wokeness crammed down our throats for years.
This could be because:
a. People can be opposed to something, but it is not important enough swing their vote.
b. People are unaware of what their representative is voting for or against.
c. In this particular case I wonder if PC is driven by politics. I think they do behind the scene by funding stuff.
I think political correctness is driven by what Nassim Taleb called something like the tyranny of the minority. An insistent minority will drive issues. Ninety percent of the audience might enjoy a joke, but 10% will boo and cause a ruckus. Most people will not push back on the 10%.
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