I don’t know what you mean by a war trait. I don’t know anyone that wants to go to war with Canada.

If there was a survey of people asking do you support war with X. X being a country not currently in the corporate/government propaganda. You are saying the universal response would be yes?

Do you mean easily convinced to go to war? Will go to war?

Humans are susceptible to propaganda. This isn’t war specific. How would you distinguish between propaganda for war versus propaganda for any other topic?

How do you distinguish between my hypothesis humans going to war is about self preservation? Not much different than any animal. Being capable of thinking about the future, humans can be convinced that self preservation requires going to war. The convincing could be legitimate or propaganda.

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From a different source, Lt. Col. Grossman in one of several similar books, called On Killing addresses the killing tendencies of men at war. What he concludes is that in general ANY species will avoid killing itself. OTHER species - no problem.

Going back to the Roman Empire, he notes the Legions had great trouble training legionnaires to stab not slash, the latter being much less damaging. He shows that troops through Korea had a strong tendency to shoot to miss, not to kill. SLA Marshal did studies that showed that in both WWII and Korea, the active shooter numbers were in the 5-15% area. Recollect that in Band of Brothers, the LT had his “shooter” - the guy in the platoon who would and could take out an enemy soldier. This was not an “ability” issue, but a mental attitude issue.

For RVN the Army ran a new program called “Two Shot Quick Kill”. The RVN rate of soldier shootings increased to 92% - BUT so did the rate of PTSD.

There are exceptions to this rule. Crew-served weapons and long range sniping did not follow this rule. One reason Sherman once quipped he’d rather have one 4.5” Napoleon than 1,000 infantry.

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The ideas you’ve presented here reminded me of Agner Fog’s regality theory. Are you familiar with it, and do you have any thoughts? I found the ideas interesting and seemingly plausible, and Fog, being known as an expert on assembly optimization, is certainly not a trivial thinker, but I’m far out of the limited range of my abilities trying to evaluate such a thing.

Genetic Selection for War in Human Populations

Evolution takes place at the level of the gene. A particular gene increases in frequency if it improves the chance of the gene existing in the next generation.
We are familiar with behavior (ultimately from genes) where parents take awful risks, sometimes losing their lives to save their children. In an environment where such events were common, the gene(s) for doing so would become more common if (on average) the self-sacrifice of a parent saved three or more of their children. The parent has one copy; each of the kids has a 50% chance of having the same gene. On average more copies, 1.5, survive the event if a parent dies than if all three children die. This is an immense simplification; life is far more complex, but the idea should be clear as to the origin of this behavior trait.

If it is not, you might look up Hamilton’s rule,

“. . . a hypothetical gene that prompts behaviour which enhances the fitness of relatives but lowers that of the individual displaying the behaviour, may nonetheless increase in frequency, because relatives often carry the same gene.”

To analyze the spread of genes that lead to war behavior, we need to generate
a model from the “viewpoint” of such genes in a typical warrior 50,000 or 100,000 years ago. Tribes in those days were limited in population by the ability of the environment to provide food. On average, they were around the same size. If two tribes fought, each had an equal chance of prevailing. In this model, the winners typically killed all the adult losers and their male children. The winners incorporated the female children of the losers into the winner’s tribe as wives. (See The Book of Numbers, Chapter 31, verses 7-18, for an account of the aftermath of a war in Biblical times.)
Wars come about due to a resource crisis. For this model, we will assume 50% of the tribe will starve in the crisis, the alternative being to attack neighbors and try to take their resources. How often such events happened is not part of the model, but they probably averaged about once a generation.

Turning to the mathematical analysis, the warrior himself has one gene copy. He typically had six children, half males and half females. (From what we know, that’s about the minimum for a stable population in Stone Age times.) Each child has a 1/2 chance of carrying the gene(s) for war behavior. (The model is not very sensitive to the number of children.)

If war behavior is to be evolutionarily favored, the count of gene copies needs to be higher (on average) after the war vs. starving in place.

For the winners, the gene count for a warrior is four, one for himself plus 1/2 times 6 children for 4. Fifty percent starvation reduces this to two copies. This makes two gene copies the number to exceed if the behavior for war is to become more common than starving in place.

For the losers, the gene count is 1.5 from the female children that the winners incorporated into their tribe. That makes the average count of genes per warrior after a war (4+1.5)/2 (using a 50% chance of winning). Or 2.75 (for war)/2 (starvation) means that going to war is about 37% better from the gene’s viewpoint than starving (in this simple model, of course). That’s a big number, indicating strong selection if this model is close to reality.

The driver for this model is starvation due to a resource crisis, ultimately due to population growth and environmental variation (mostly weather). Does going to war without looming starvation make sense? No. Going to war gives an average gene copy remaining of 2.75 vs. 4 for no war, or 4 (no war) /2.75 (war) making the selection against going to war about 45% per event (or rather nonevent). That too is a big number, indicating strong selection for not going to war unless the alternative for genes is worse.
This places the detection of looming starvation under intense selection to get it right. (A challenging cognitive task.)

How does a tribe go from individual detection of a bleak future to mass attacking another tribe?

It’s obvious that attacking another tribe one at a time is a nearly sure way to be killed. We have an example: chimps make war on neighboring groups. When they do, all the males in the group attack at once, in fact, when they do boundary patrols they go in groups and kill any lone members they encounter from neighboring groups. “War mode” in chimps seems to be on all the time. It seems to never be on in bonobos (why is a good question).

For humans, “war mode” is on some of the time for the gene-based reasons discussed above. Most of the time human groups are on good terms with neighbors, swapping marriage partners with them. However, in times of stress (facing a bleak future, starvation) memes circulate that dehumanize the target tribe and make the warriors willing to attempt to destroy them. This last bit on memes is speculative, though there is a good deal of evidence that there is a connection between deteriorating economic conditions and xenophobic memes becoming common in a population.

Perhaps the most obvious recent historical example is the rise of Nazism in the economic disaster of Germany in the 1930.

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“I don’t know anyone that wants to go to war with Canada.”

Some decades ago the Canadian were concerned enough about the possibility of the US invading that they trained people to infiltrate the US and engage in sabotage. I knew one of the people who trained for this role.

Although I feel confident about the model, you do have to be careful about extrapolating stone age evolution to the present day and conditions.

" Humans are susceptible to propaganda"

I.e., memes. In the build-up to war, particularly xenophobic memes. But how easy these memes spread depends greatly on how bleak the future seems.

Is there a source for this? I’ve heard others - Adam Curry, for instance - insist Rogan licensed his catalogue to Spotify. If Spotify defenestrates him, that would make a difference.

Regarding the missing episodes, I saw a similar story and picked one “missing” episode at random. I could still find it and play it on Spotify. The one I picked was Gad Saad.

I’m curious if anyone else had a similar experience. It’s possible the Spotify update that memory holes episodes takes a bit to propagate throughout their CDN, or it’s possible the JRE Missing website gets something wrong.

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Will this tired trope ever be put to rest? Why is it so many feel compelled to pontificate on behalf of the infected unvaccinated? Do they spend an equal amount of rhetorical passion exhorting people to lose weight, exercise, or stop abusing other substances?

A year ago, it was understood and expected the vaccine confers immunity, so perhaps there was some logic to encouraging or persuading others to consider accepting the vaccine into their lifes. Sadly, that understanding and expectation turned out to be level 1000 pharma marketing and regulatory capture. Not a surprise for many people aware of John Ioannidis work before he was outed as a badthinker.

And from where we are today, 2021 shows the vaccine intervention in aggregate did not put a dent in a) transmission, b) preventing other variants, or c) deaths. Could it be that for those that have taken the vaccine into their life these realizations create unbearable anguish? Is this the crab mentality at play? Or Jante Laws 3, 4, or 5?

Where does the compulsion to force others to conform to one’s personal choice come from? And before deploying the other tired trope of “the unvaccinated will overrun the hospitals”, I suggest looking at hospital occupancy data in aggregate and not just limited to beds set aside for COVID patients.

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That’s an easy answer: Yankees. Hell, the smart set in the United States has been trying to leave them for nearly two hundred years.

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Well, not really Yankees, at least as you use the term. I think the correct term would be Puritans - as in Massholes. Recollect that in reality it was the Massachusetts crowd that incited the original Revolution. Yes, the other states were concerned about their freedoms and their treatment as “Englishmen”, but in reality they were not so keen on leaving the British Empire. When the Tea Tax came, everyone was concerned and no one’s longshoremen would unload the Tea Company ships; but only Boston staged a Tea Party.

I’m a “GDY” but I identify with much of the South’s culture (except the slavery part). The South has lumped in way too many people into the “GDY” category

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Probably not. Have you been in a grocery store recently? The shortages are not up to what was usual in the USSR, but they are getting there. You can make a case that the shortages have nothing to do with the virus, but I won’t buy that.

@Kieth_H anson - ?where do you find evidence of your “evolution”. I see no new species that have “evolved” from another. What I DO see is “adaption”. Darwin’s original observations (the “theory” came afterwards, from people who wished to discredit the church) was merely a change in SOME characteristics of the finch - NOT a new species. And interestingly, a relatively recent revisit to Darwin’s locale showed the finches had returned to their more common beak configuration.

You are, of course, free to speculate all you want with "theories, models (merely graphic speculation, as we note with "climate cooling/warming/change), and possibilities. For me, much of that is GIGO.

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Not quite. The two most revolutionary colonies in the 1770s were Massachusetts, yes, but also Virginia. Virginia went so far as to issue their own declaration of independence from Britain in May 1776, a full month prior to the collective declaration that we celebrate every July 4. But I take your point. Nevertheless, this tidbit doesn’t change the fact that Puritans/Yankees are a cancer on free societies and the current Karen-ism infecting the United States is just a modern variant of Puritanism. It is the vile, scraggly finger of Ralph Waldo Emerson wagging in our face today.

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If you can get past the voice, I recommend this. (It took me some time to get past the voice, but once you do you will find that the information is priceless.)

Other than disruptions in the first couple of weeks of the initial lock-down in the spring of 2020 as wholesalers, shippers, and retailers were adapting to the new rules and constraints, there have been zero shortages of anything in Switzerland, neither at major retailers nor in village shops. I buy pretty much the same things all the time, and other than the occasional item being sold out from time to time (which has always happened, and no more frequently than pre-2020), I have observed neither shortages nor dramatic increases in price. Certainly, I have never seen anything like the pictures I see on Twitter of long empty shelves from the U.S. (although one never knows whether they are authentic or representative).

Whatever the problem is with shortages in the U.S., it’s hard to believe it’s purely the result of the virus, as Switzerland was hit just as hard or harder by the virus during every phase of this episode.

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Yeah, I gotta say, the shortages seem to be targeted in many respects. In Delaware where I live there are not shortages of anything that I have noticed. There was a shortage of some snack option that we buy for our son, but it was short lived and not all the troublesome. Prices are a different story though, the increase in prices has certainly been noticeable.

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My estimate from half a dozen places in LA is that the stores are currently out of about 15% of the stuff they stocked before the pandemic.

“it’s hard to believe it’s purely the result of the virus”

Lots of complications, but at one point in the peak of the last wave, 1 in 5 of the grocery store employees was out sick or in quarantine. It’s better now.

I know some people on this site are hostile to information that counters what they believe, but the rest of you might find this interesting. (Take out space after https.)

“https
://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/02/09/1047616658/take-a-look-at-sars-cov-2s-family-tree-its-full-of-surprises”

There was a long discussion recently of where the pandemic is headed on a zoom meeting run by the people who put on the Hacker’s conference. The consensus view was that the future of this pandemic is impossible to predict.

When it comes to empty shelves in stores, we have to ask ourselves – Are the empty shelves due to some virus? Or are they due to the Lock Downs imposed by our Betters? The answer is fairly clear. An insignificant percentage of working-age people were unable to work because of the virus; lots of them were prevented from working by the Lock Downs.

The other factor in empty shelves, certainly at the beginning of the Lock Downs, was Project Fear. The government created such a high level of uncertainty & fear that panic buying was the inevitable consequence. Strange that toilet paper was the item which sold out, but frightened people are not necessarily rational. The psychological damage caused by the actions of politicians, bureaucrats, and media types is still visible today.

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Bacon is up significantly here in the Atlanta area: $5/lb versus ~$3/lb two years ago.

Well, you don’t want USSR-level shortages in your grocery store… A quick look at gun ownership stats and population density trends shows that large scale food shortage would be a “brown pants” day of epic proportions.

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I took a look at your link despite the incapacitating fear I had that I would be confronted with “information that counters what [I] believe.” Interestingly the two biggest branches as it appears to me based on the graphics provided by NPR are Delta and Omicron. One branch, Delta, presents much more concern than the other, Omicron, because of the weakened effects of Omicron.

Of real interest to me, and what really got my conspiracy theory mind spinning, is this:

But omicron was almost like an orphan. It didn’t have any close relatives on the tree. There are no parents, no grandparents, not even great-great-great-grandparents. Its genes just looked so different from the other genome sequences

I wonder if Omicron wasn’t developed for the “last push” by the Davos crowd to solidify all of the tyrannical crap the Davos crowd has been pushing on us since March 2020. I am no scientist, and I am certainly no virologist, so could any of you egg-heads here explain to me how something that shares ZERO genetic characteristics with the original virus could be a product of that original virus? Just based on that one quote above, how could there be a variant where “its genes just looked so different from the other genome sequences?”
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Ethical Skeptic has been looking deeply into the genetic distance between Omicron and the original and Delta variants, and evidence from the genetic sequence that Omicron appeared before the other two and evolved independently. Here is a long article to get you going, with numerous links to primary sources, “China’s CCP Concealed SARS-CoV-2 Presence in China as Far Back as March 2018”.

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