# Scam-O-Rama
**URL:** https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738
**Category:** The Happening World
**Tags:** scams
**Created:** [3 July 2024 17:18 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738 "2024-07-03T17:18:32Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 1
### Author:  [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)
#### Post date: [3 July 2024 17:18 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/1 "2024-07-03T17:18:32Z")
Here we depart form prior individual scam-specific topics to have an open collection of technology scams.
The scam can have many aspects from completely fraudulent technology to overhype of something that may still have real technological merit.
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### Author:  [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)
#### Post date: [3 July 2024 17:23 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/2 "2024-07-03T17:23:13Z")
Before reading further, please turn your BS detector to its lowest sensitivity to avoid damage.
Our latest entry could be a piece of scam performance art:
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-8y8uG6Ojw)
> **[Tech company unveils tiny spheres that outperform solar panels using both sun...](https://www.thecooldown.com/green-tech/photon-energy-systems-solar-spheres-wavja/)**
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> New York City-based WAVJA has developed light-catching spheres that could replace traditional solar panels.
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### Author:  [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)
#### Post date: [3 July 2024 17:33 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/3 "2024-07-03T17:33:48Z")
We may hold a naming contest for this topic. Feel free to make suggestions and I’ll then build a poll.
My candidates are:
Elizabeth Holmes/Theranos
Trevor Milton/Nikola Motors
Volkswagen Clean Diesel
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### Author:  [@Gerard](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Gerard)
#### Post date: [3 July 2024 22:05 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/4 "2024-07-03T22:05:16Z")
My response suggestion is here:
> **[Servus Unisex Comfort Technology Rubber Knee Rain Boots at Tractor Supply Co.](https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/servuscomfort-technology-rubber-knee-rain-boot)**
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> Buy Servus Unisex Comfort Technology Rubber Knee Rain Boots at Tractor Supply Co. Great Customer Service.
My reasoning is that the excrement is not as deep as some that I had the displeasure of encountering.
I have a pair of these and use them when cutting the grass in my doggie area as the excrement washes off them rather nicely.
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### Author:  [@eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/eggspurt)
#### Post date: [3 July 2024 23:30 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/5 "2024-07-03T23:30:08Z")
Scams…
Eliezer Yudkowsky/Friendly AI
Sam Bankman-Fried/Effective Altruism
Bernie Madoff/Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities
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### Author:  [@jdougan](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/jdougan)
#### Post date: [4 July 2024 01:56 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/6 "2024-07-04T01:56:14Z")
> [@eggspurt](#):
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> Eliezer Yudkowsky/Friendly AI
> Sam Bankman-Fried/Effective Altruism
edit: link added for HPMoR
I’m not sure that Eliezer is a scammer so much as borderline crazy. He’s a monomaniac with a mission, and while that combination can produce great things, it can also steer you into a deep hole. (It can be interesting to read [_Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality_](https://hpmor.com) to see some of where he’s coming from)
While SBF is definitely a scammer and took advantage of EA, EA in general is not a scam. There are a lot of adherents that I would classify as suckers, but the base idea of rationally examining the charitable options using evidence and careful reasoning to take actions that help others as much as possible, is hardly a scam.
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### Author:  [@Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Citizen_bitcoin)
#### Post date: [4 July 2024 03:58 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/7 "2024-07-04T03:58:41Z")
SBF ruined the perception of Effective Altruism. Hearing him talk about EA was… actually I don’t remember because tuned him out.
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### Author:  [@jdougan](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/jdougan)
#### Post date: [4 July 2024 04:09 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/8 "2024-07-04T04:09:38Z")
Eh. The basis of EA is solid enough that the storm will pass. The media loses interest then people forget. The only part that is really controversial is their position on possible future AI alignment issues.
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### Author:  [@Roxie](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Roxie)
#### Post date: [4 July 2024 07:13 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/9 "2024-07-04T07:13:13Z")
> [@jdougan](#):
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> _Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality_
Never heard of this one. I see no link. Joke entry? At least it’s an intriguing title, almost Tom Swiftian.
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### Author:  [@jdougan](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/jdougan)
#### Post date: [4 July 2024 08:31 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/10 "2024-07-04T08:31:02Z")
It is Harry Potter fan fiction and an exposition on reason, written by Eliezer. Off screen, Petunia marries a Professor instead of Vernon Dursley and Harry is a somewhat different person.
[https://hpmor.com/](https://hpmor.com/)
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### Author:  [@Roxie](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Roxie)
#### Post date: [4 July 2024 09:39 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/11 "2024-07-04T09:39:24Z")
Merci beaucoup!
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### Author:  [@eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/eggspurt)
#### Post date: [4 July 2024 11:56 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/12 "2024-07-04T11:56:58Z")
I was a bit tongue-in-cheeky posting my list, inciting a bit of controversy, and hoping to get a discussion started. Thanks for pitching in.
EA in principle might sound good at first glance, but the reality is that many of the people in these circles are seriously hungry for power and carry very long Jungian shadows that aren’t disclosed.
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### Author:  [@jdougan](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/jdougan)
#### Post date: [4 July 2024 19:20 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/13 "2024-07-04T19:20:14Z")
> $SOME\_PHILOSOPHY in principle might sound good at first glance, but the reality is that many of the people in these circles are seriously hungry for power and carry very long Jungian shadows that aren’t disclosed.
The problem with that statement, is it proves too much. I could replaces “EA” in that with a list of many philosophies that have organizations built around them, including religions, and it would be as true. It doedn’t really distinguish EA as anything other than being a human thing.
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### Author:  [@Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Citizen_bitcoin)
#### Post date: [4 July 2024 19:31 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/14 "2024-07-04T19:31:41Z")
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwqWbfK9TXA)
60 seconds
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### Author:  [@Mettelus](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Mettelus)
#### Post date: [19 August 2024 22:12 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/15 "2024-08-19T22:12:59Z")
> [@jdougan](#):
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> The basis of EA is solid enough that the storm will pass
Anytime the obvious is replaced by a “philosophy” it raises the alarm. Does anyone disagree with the central idea?
> The central idea is to maximize the positive impact of one’s actions by focusing on interventions that do the most good with the available resources.
This sounds like “stakeholder capitalism” or “government investment”. Cover for really bad ideas that are hidden behind a facade of do good language. When almost nobody would disagree with the idea based on the language used, it is typically a deception of some sort.
We already know that capitalism provides the maximum positive impact with the minimum resources required. Give a man a fish and so forth.
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### Author:  [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)
#### Post date: [7 February 2025 09:04 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/16 "2025-02-07T09:04:39Z")
> **[Myanmar's Shwe Kokko: Inside a city 'built on scams'](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c04nx1vnw17o)**
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> A haven for the super rich, or a city built on scams? The BBC was invited to find out.
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### Author:  [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)
#### Post date: [12 February 2025 02:47 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/17 "2025-02-12T02:47:19Z")
Paging clock boy:
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbyFzDQBMdk)
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### Author:  [@drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/drlorentz)
#### Post date: [13 February 2025 02:00 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/18 "2025-02-13T02:00:40Z")
Wakanda forever!
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### Author:  [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)
#### Post date: [13 September 2025 18:51 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/19 "2025-09-13T18:51:15Z")
> **[Engineers unveil bonkers prototype for ‘crash-proof’ plane following Air...](https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/lifestyle/crash-proof-plane-unveiled-to-prevent-future-air-india-disasters/)**
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> It’s a real dumbo jet.
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### Author:  [@eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/eggspurt)
#### Post date: [14 September 2025 16:12 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/scam-o-rama/4738/20 "2025-09-14T16:12:31Z")
This one had airbags:
> **[Mars Exploration Rover](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Exploration_Rover#/media/File:Spirit-airbag2.jpg)**
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> NASA's Mars Exploration Rover (MER) mission was a robotic space mission involving two Mars rovers, Spirit and Opportunity, exploring the planet Mars. It began in 2003 with the launch of the two rovers to explore the Martian surface and geology; both landed on Mars at separate locations in January 2004. Both rovers far outlived their planned missions of 90 Martian solar days: MER-A Spirit was active until March 22, 2010, while MER-B Opportunity was active until June 10, 2018.
> The mission's sc...