# Tesla “Full Self Driving” Beta 10.9 \[2021.44.30.10\] in San Francisco
**URL:** https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-10-9-2021-44-30-10-in-san-francisco/778
**Category:** The Happening World
**Tags:** full-self-driving, tesla, autonomous-vehicles, automobiles
**Created:** [24 January 2022 14:02 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-10-9-2021-44-30-10-in-san-francisco/778 "2022-01-24T14:02:14Z")
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### Author:  [@johnwalker](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/johnwalker)
#### Post date: [24 January 2022 14:02 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-10-9-2021-44-30-10-in-san-francisco/778/1 "2022-01-24T14:02:14Z")
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxY5MkSGaw8)
The video starts with a rant against [The Dawn Project](https://dawnproject.com/) and its founder, Dan O’Dowd, which ran a [full page advertisement](https://dawnproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Dawn-Project-ad.jpg) in the _New York Times_ arguing “Tesla Full-Self Driving must be removed from our roads until it has 1000 times fewer critical malfunctions” and “…offering [US]$10,000 to the first person who can name another commercial product from a Fortune 500 company that has a critical malfunction every 8 minutes.”
The actual driving video starts at the 2:34 mark.
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### Author:  [@drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/drlorentz)
#### Post date: [26 January 2022 04:36 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-10-9-2021-44-30-10-in-san-francisco/778/2 "2022-01-26T04:36:10Z")
I only watched about half the drive. Based on that, here are a couple of observations:
- The autonomous system is overly cautious. So much so that it would have interfered with the normal flow of traffic. It even earned a honk from a human driver. A bunch of these cars might cause (even more) massive traffic jams.
- It makes plenty of errors — mostly on the side of caution but errors nevertheless. It has the driving skills of a teenager with a learner’s permit.
There is a tension between safety and efficiency. It may be true that the autonomous system would be as safe as, or possibly safer than, a good human driver but there is a tradeoff: it’s slower. An equivalent way to improve auto safety would be to lower the speed limit everywhere to 25 mph. Then we could save even more lives! This is not a tradeoff anyone is interested in making.
One thing that has not been tested in self-driving cars is how a whole bunch of them together would perform, while still in the presence of pedestrians, cyclists, and other hazards. I could easily imagine the small errors of each combining to produce gridlock or accidents.
The main thing I learned from the video is that the system is not able to adapt to unexpected situations. They still have a long way to go before they can be truly autonomous.
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### Author:  [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)
#### Post date: [1 February 2022 16:27 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-10-9-2021-44-30-10-in-san-francisco/778/3 "2022-02-01T16:27:48Z")
> [@drlorentz](#):
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> It may be true that the autonomous system would be as safe as, or possibly safer than, a good human driver but there is a tradeoff: it’s slower.
Particularly when the government gets involved.
Tesla’s “[assertive mode](https://www.autoblog.com/2022/01/10/tesla-full-self-driving-assertive-mode-price-increase/)” [busted by NHTSA](https://www.autoblog.com/2022/02/01/tesla-full-self-driving-recall-runs-stop-signs/). “sheep mode” and 'lemming mode" still under review.
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### Author:  [@johnwalker](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/johnwalker)
#### Post date: [1 February 2022 16:45 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-10-9-2021-44-30-10-in-san-francisco/778/4 "2022-02-01T16:45:07Z")
I’d wondered about the “rolling stops” I saw it doing in the videos. That was flat illegal everywhere I took a driver’s test (despite seeing everybody do it all the time on the road), but I didn’t know if the rules had been changed.
Of course, once all cars have Tesla-type vision systems and links back to headquarters, they’ll report such behaviour to the Man so offenders can be fined and have the Social Credit scores decremented.
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### Author:  [@drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/drlorentz)
#### Post date: [5 February 2022 22:27 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-10-9-2021-44-30-10-in-san-francisco/778/5 "2022-02-05T22:27:31Z")
Rolling stops remain illegal. In fact, a cop pulled me over for a rolling stop _on my bicycle_. Got off with a warning.
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### Author:  [@owenwengerd](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/owenwengerd)
#### Post date: [6 February 2022 00:08 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-10-9-2021-44-30-10-in-san-francisco/778/6 "2022-02-06T00:08:14Z")
Unlike cars, bikes fall over when they come to a compete stop. The time required to bring a bike to a complete stop includes unclipping, dismounting, remounting, clipping back in, then finally accelerating out of the way of impatient car drivers. In the cycling community it is well understood that the [Idaho Stop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop) is by far the most efficient way and often the safest way to navigate rural intersections on a bicycle.
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### Author:  [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)
#### Post date: [6 February 2022 14:03 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-10-9-2021-44-30-10-in-san-francisco/778/7 "2022-02-06T14:03:22Z")
Massachusetts requires open access telematics, causing manufacturers to delete the feature:
> **[Judge in Massachusetts ‘right to repair’ case expects to issue ruling March 7](https://www.repairerdrivennews.com/2022/02/03/judge-in-massachusetts-right-to-repair-case-expects-to-issue-ruling-march-7/)**
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> The federal judge in a case brought by automakers over Massachusetts’ expanded “Right to Repair” law said he expects to issue a ruling on March 7. U.S. Massachusetts District Court Judge Doug…
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### Author:  [@ra\_montesano](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/ra_montesano)
#### Post date: [6 February 2022 14:10 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-10-9-2021-44-30-10-in-san-francisco/778/8 "2022-02-06T14:10:37Z")
Just a thought, it seems AI already beats intoxicated drivers.
I would not be surprised to see a breathalizer built into future tech, that overides manual control, and this might just be the wedge to get humans to give control of driving to tech.
But there will always be excellent drivers that do not drink and drive – and are willing and able to rewire/program their devices to evade Big Brother.
In the not too distant AI future, it may be that the best and brightest are outlaws.
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### Author:  [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)
#### Post date: [22 April 2022 18:05 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-10-9-2021-44-30-10-in-san-francisco/778/9 "2022-04-22T18:05:06Z")
That’s not going to buff out:
> **[Watch a Tesla Model X self-drive into an airplane, keep going | Autoblog -...](https://www.autoblog.com/2022/04/22/tesla-self-drive-plane-crash/)**
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> A video shows a Tesla Model X in Smart Summon mode driving itself into a $2.5 million Cirrus Vision Jet on an airport tarmac.