# The Infeasibility of Wind Power **URL:** \ **Category:** The Happening World\ **Tags:** wind-power\ **Created:** [26 March 2023 16:50 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952 "2023-03-26T16:50:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/439d5e/32.png) [@Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Gavin)\ **Post date:** [26 March 2023 16:50 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/1 "2023-03-26T16:50:34Z")
An Oxford Uni professor takes a stab at talking sense on the windpower delusion. Of course, he is Emeritus Professor of Physics – a status which allows him to review the data objectively. [The Inadequacy of Wind Power (thegwpf.org)](https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2023/03/Allison-Wind-energy.pdf?mc_cid=5c197dfa62&mc_eid=c926002e71) “_Because the power carried by the wind depends on the third power of the wind speed, if the wind drops to half speed, the power available drops by a factor of 8. Almost worse, if the wind speed doubles, the power delivered goes up 8 times, and as a result the turbine has to be turned off for its own protection_” I keep thinking about those future Chinese historians working on their third edition of “_The Decline & Fall of the West_”. They are going to uncover vast amounts of data showing that people were warned in advance that their reliance on so-called “green” energy was technically infeasible. And yet they proceeded at full speed over the cliff, reducing Europe & North America permanently to poverty and backwardness. Explaining that particular madness of crowds is going to push events like the South Sea Bubble out of future textbooks. ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [26 March 2023 20:37 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/2 "2023-03-26T20:37:54Z")
He does not address the other elephant in the room for wind and solar and other eco products. They almost never get near their asserted lifetimes. I just replaced 3 of 4 brand name “13.7 years” life LED bulbs bought barely over a year ago. Whereas I can just get new bulbs, it’s not the same with wind and solar when 10% of the turbines or panels fail two years after installation and the originals are no longer in production. The available replacement solar panels may be incompatible with interconnecting in the existing array. Turbine repair and maintenance costs increase with the numbers of different types that must be maintained. ---
**Author:** ![eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/eggspurt/32/3686_2.png) [@eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/eggspurt)\ **Post date:** [27 March 2023 12:30 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/3 "2023-03-27T12:30:03Z")
If one would prefer a Cambridge professor instead, [Sustainable Energy – without the hot air](https://www.withouthotair.com/) is an excellent book by one of the geniuses of this era, David MacKay. On the topic of wind farms: > Let’s be realistic. What fraction of the country can we really imagine > covering with windmills? Maybe 10%? Then we conclude: if we covered > the windiest 10% of the country with windmills (delivering 2 W/m2), we > would be able to generate 20 kWh/d per person, which is _ **half** _ of the power > used by driving an average fossil-fuel car 50 km per day. The book ends like this: > Because Britain currently gets 90% of its energy from fossil fuels, it’s no > surprise that getting off fossil fuels requires big, big changes – a total > change in the transport fleet; a complete change of most building heating > systems; and a 10- or 20-fold increase in green power. > > Given the general tendency of the public to say “no” to wind farms, > “no” to nuclear power, “no” to tidal barrages – “no” to anything other > than fossil fuel power systems – I am worried that we won’t actually get > off fossil fuels when we need to. Instead, we’ll settle for half-measures: > slightly-more-efficient fossil-fuel power stations, cars, and home heating > systems; a fig-leaf of a carbon trading system; a sprinkling of wind turbines; > an inadequate number of nuclear power stations. ---
**Author:** ![russnelson](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/russnelson/32/339_2.png) [@russnelson](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/russnelson)\ **Post date:** [27 March 2023 20:27 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/4 "2023-03-27T20:27:09Z")
Madness. It’s utter madness. “But they’re renewable! And it’s free energy you don’t have to pay for!” Yes, as if capital is free. As if installation is free. As if repair is free. As if covering for their intermittent nature is free. ---
**Author:** ![Hypatia](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/hypatia/32/100_2.png) [@Hypatia](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Hypatia)\ **Post date:** [28 March 2023 10:22 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/6 "2023-03-28T10:22:54Z")
Ive spent the last week in Provence. As you know they frequently experience the mistral, a legendarily strong wind—and when they do, as you say, they have to shut the windmills down, it’s too powerful. Wind energy is like the Biblical manna: it must be consumed when it appears, can’t be stored—and you don’t want an over abundance of it. Quelle bétise! ---
**Author:** ![civilwestman](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/civilwestman/32/25_2.png) [@civilwestman](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/civilwestman)\ **Post date:** [29 March 2023 11:33 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/7 "2023-03-29T11:33:48Z")
> [@Hypatia](#): > > Wind energy is like the Biblical manna: Ah, if only we could capture the hot air ejected from Washington DC! Or the heat of the indignation emanating from the same source. Those would be full time, uninterrupted, sustainable sources. ---
**Author:** ![johnwalker](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/johnwalker/32/17415_2.png) [@johnwalker](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/johnwalker)\ **Post date:** [29 March 2023 13:18 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/8 "2023-03-29T13:18:42Z")
> [@civilwestman](#): > > Ah, if only we could capture the hot air ejected from Washington DC! Or the heat of the indignation emanating from the same source. A little known fact about nuclear fusion in the core of the Sun is that its power production is around 276.5 watts/m³, which is comparable to the heat generated by a compost heap of cattle manure. The Sun generates so much energy purely because it is so large, not due to the power of the fusion reaction. Here is article about a farm in Vermont which generates hot water for heating from composting the manure of 2000 cows, “[Extracting Thermal Energy From Composting](https://www.biocycle.net/extracting-thermal-energy-from-composting/)”. The system produces 120,000 British Thermal Units per hour, or around 35 kilowatts, which is around the average electrical power consumed by 175 homes occupied by families of four. With the amount of bullshit generated in Washington, that should be enough to power the entire East Coast. ---
**Author:** ![civilwestman](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/civilwestman/32/25_2.png) [@civilwestman](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/civilwestman)\ **Post date:** [29 March 2023 16:46 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/9 "2023-03-29T16:46:17Z")
> [@johnwalker](#): > > A little known fact about nuclear fusion in the core of the Sun is that its power production is around 276.5 watts/m³, which is comparable to the heat generated by a compost heap of cattle manure. This is truly shocking to read! From any other source than John Walker, I would be skeptical. ---
**Author:** ![Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/439d5e/32.png) [@Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Gavin)\ **Post date:** [29 March 2023 20:46 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/10 "2023-03-29T20:46:50Z")
It gets worse, CW! Pound for pound (or gram for gram if you prefer), the computer chip in your phone gives out more heat than the sun. And it is in your pocket! ---
**Author:** ![civilwestman](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/civilwestman/32/25_2.png) [@civilwestman](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/civilwestman)\ **Post date:** [29 March 2023 20:59 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/11 "2023-03-29T20:59:15Z")
If I were a different gender, I would be getting a case of the vapors about now. ---
**Author:** ![1789Libertarian](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/1789libertarian/32/1089_2.png) [@1789Libertarian](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/1789Libertarian)\ **Post date:** [29 March 2023 21:12 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/12 "2023-03-29T21:12:28Z")
> [@civilwestman](#): > > Ah, if only we could capture the hot air ejected from Washington DC! Or the heat of the indignation emanating from the same source. Those would be full time, uninterrupted, sustainable sources. Nah, that town would even mess that up. ---
**Author:** ![Keith\_Henson](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/b2d939/32.png) [@Keith\_Henson](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Keith_Henson)\ **Post date:** [31 March 2023 18:42 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/13 "2023-03-31T18:42:05Z")
To our great loss, David MacKay died in 2016. I corresponded with him for several years. After he wrote the book, he decided that power satellites should be considered. They have advantages, but if they are to become a serious energy source, the traffic into space takes something like 25,000 StarShip flights a year. ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [20 July 2024 12:31 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/14 "2024-07-20T12:31:33Z")
> **[Concerns mount over Vineyard Wind turbine failure - The New Bedford Light](https://newbedfordlight.org/concerns-mount-over-vineyard-wind-turbine-failure/)** > > A 300-foot section of the damaged blade, which had been dangling from the offshore wind turbine since Saturday evening, fell into the water just before 7 a.m., Thursday. ---
**Author:** ![eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/eggspurt/32/3686_2.png) [@eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/eggspurt)\ **Post date:** [18 December 2024 13:02 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/15 "2024-12-18T13:02:43Z")
New ideas do emerge, here’s an interesting one ![](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/uploads/default/original/3X/7/0/7079037ea778518a45bf38fd43ca50c27717860a.png) > **[China's Self-developed Airship Harvests Wind Power at Record...](https://english.cas.cn/newsroom/cas_media/202410/t20241015_691775.shtml)** ---
**Author:** ![drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/drlorentz/32/902_2.png) [@drlorentz](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/drlorentz)\ **Post date:** [19 December 2024 23:54 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/16 "2024-12-19T23:54:47Z")
> [@eggspurt](#): > > New ideas do emerge, here’s an interesting one This idea is hardly new. [Aerostats and kites to harvest wind power](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_wind_turbine) have been around for a decade or two. Coincidentally, I met a guy on a flight who was working on this c. 2010. He had published some papers in an IEEE journal and was looking for funding. Here’s [a reference](https://web.archive.org/web/20081211033129/https://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/10/71908) from 2006. Most of the systems aim for much higher altitudes than 500 m because winds at that altitude are neither steady nor reliable. Ideally, one would like to be in the jet stream, where winds are highest and steady. There have been such systems proposed. Needless to say, all these ideas have some serious practical problems. The fact that people have been messing around with this for decades, with little to show for it, says that this probably isn’t going anywhere. My favorite part of the Chinese article is > This photo taken on Oct. 10, 2024 shows the S500 buoyant airborne turbine (BAT) working up in the air generating power in Wuhan, central China’s Hubei Province. Wuhan and bats, oh my! Does it come with free SARS-CoV-2? 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [16 January 2025 16:13 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/17 "2025-01-16T16:13:10Z")
> **[FULL CIRCLE: Wyoming to bury old wind turbines in empty coal mines 🤔](https://notthebee.com/article/going-back-from-whence-they-came-wyoming-wind-turbines-can-now-be-buried-in-coal-mines)** > > The average lifespan of a wind turbine blade is about 10 years, after which they need to be replaced. Apparently, we're just burying the used ones in landfills, like this one in Wyoming. ---
**Author:** ![eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/eggspurt/32/3686_2.png) [@eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/eggspurt)\ **Post date:** [16 January 2025 16:38 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-infeasibility-of-wind-power/2952/18 "2025-01-16T16:38:30Z")
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