# Ukraine and Russia: War and Consequences **URL:** \ **Category:** The Happening World\ **Tags:** ukraine, russia, separatism, donetsk-lugansk, vladimir-putin\ **Created:** [21 February 2022 20:51 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919 "2022-02-21T20:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![magus](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@magus](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/magus)\ **Post date:** [25 September 2023 02:24 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/382 "2023-09-25T02:24:08Z")
CBC News: “Zelenskyy’s speech [to Canada’s House of Commons] received at least a dozen standing ovations. There was also one for this man, a 98-year-old Ukrainian Canadian who fought for Ukrainian independence against the Russians _during the Second World War._” (emphasis mine) > **[Canada's House Speaker Apologizes For Honoring Actual Nazi; Still Radio...](https://www.zerohedge.com/political/zelenskyy-trudeau-honor-actual-3rd-reich-nazi-standing-ovation)** > > ...we are surprised that Jonathan Greenblatt and the ADL have not been vociferously attacking the honoring of one of Hitler's henchmen... ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [25 September 2023 02:55 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/383 "2023-09-25T02:55:01Z")
“fought in a Third Reich military formation accused of war crimes.” AKA “Waffen SS”. I assume that caption originated with AP and not Zero Hedge. How things change in 2 years: > **[Hundreds in Ukraine attend marches celebrating Nazi SS soldiers](https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-in-ukraine-attend-marches-celebrating-nazi-ss-soldiers/)** > > For first time ever, parade celebrating 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of SS, made up of ethnic Ukrainians, takes place in capital Kyiv > **[Whitewashing The SS: The Attempt to Re-Write the History of Hitler’s...](http://espritdecorps.ca/history-feature/whitewashing-the-ss-the-attempt-to-re-write-the-history-of-hitlers-collaborators)** > > By David Pugliese Over the years some Ukrainian Canadians have staunchly defended the 14th SS Division Galicia. They have falsely claimed that Ukrainians who served in the division were conscripted, when in reality 80,000 volunteered and 13,000 were... ---
**Author:** ![magus](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@magus](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/magus)\ **Post date:** [25 September 2023 03:14 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/384 "2023-09-25T03:14:44Z")
Indeed. The quote was taken from CBC’s commentary attempting to sanitize Hunka’s involvement. ---
**Author:** ![Devereaux](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/devereaux/32/285_2.png) [@Devereaux](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Devereaux)\ **Post date:** [25 September 2023 08:15 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/385 "2023-09-25T08:15:16Z")
OR perhaps ALL this is more propaganda BS. So much that comes out of that region has proven to be thin air. Couple that with our own government’s propensity to lie to us, and it becomes hard to believe much of anything either FROM there or ABOUT there. This is one of those fly-in-your-face kind of “reports”. ---
**Author:** ![johnwalker](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/johnwalker/32/17415_2.png) [@johnwalker](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/johnwalker)\ **Post date:** [26 September 2023 21:59 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/386 "2023-09-26T21:59:33Z")
> **[Canada parliament speaker resigns after calling Ukrainian Nazi veteran a ‘hero’](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/26/anthony-rota-canada-resigns-nazi-parliament)** > > Anthony Rota steps down after meeting with party leaders in Ottawa having invited Yaroslav Hunka to special session > The speaker of Canada’s parliament has resigned [after inviting a Ukrainian Nazi veteran](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/25/canadas-house-speaker-apologises-after-praising-ukrainian-veteran-who-fought-for-nazis) to attend a special session of parliament, and then calling the man a “hero” amid two standing ovations. > > Anthony Rota stepped down as speaker on Tuesday after meeting with party leaders in Ottawa amid growing cross-party calls for his resignation. > > “This house is above any of us,” he told lawmakers. > > Earlier in the day, Canada’s foreign minister, Mélanie Joly, called the situation “deeply unacceptable” and an “embarrassment”. The government house leader said Rota should do the “honourable thing” and step down. The Conservative leader, Pierre Poilievre, also criticized Justin Trudeau for the fiasco, saying the prime minister had “brought shame on Canada” after the government’s failure to have its “massive diplomatic and intelligence apparatus vet and prevent honouring a Nazi”. ---
**Author:** ![johnwalker](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/johnwalker/32/17415_2.png) [@johnwalker](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/johnwalker)\ **Post date:** [29 September 2023 14:37 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/387 "2023-09-29T14:37:25Z")
[![image](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/uploads/default/original/2X/9/93c3e0c31228b74355e67187e16d0d00bd8c823c.png)](https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1707507797498241421) ---
**Author:** ![Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/439d5e/32.png) [@Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Gavin)\ **Post date:** [29 September 2023 19:09 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/388 "2023-09-29T19:09:23Z")
_“I will consent to an expedited vote on a clean CR without Ukraine aid on it.”_ It is a cute talking point – but there is undoubtedly $25 Billion Plus in Biden’s _Inflation Reduction Act_ already earmarked for Zelensky, minus the usual 10%. And Congress as a whole has no interest in seeing that the laws they pass are enforced or that the budgets they (generally don’t) pass are followed. Please just shut the whole mess down. Let’s wipe the sheet clean and start again. ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [2 October 2023 17:15 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/389 "2023-10-02T17:15:25Z")
Not likely to scare the Azov Brigade: > **[Yevgeny Prigozhin’s son ‘takes over command of Wagner’](https://www.yahoo.com/news/yevgeny-prigozhins-son-takes-over-131728800.html)** > > Military analysts believe the 25-year-old is the new leader of the mercenary group that was founded by his father ---
**Author:** ![jdougan](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/jdougan/32/2477_2.png) [@jdougan](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/jdougan)\ **Post date:** [3 October 2023 09:29 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/390 "2023-10-03T09:29:05Z")
What they really need is a successor to Dmitry Utkin. I’m not sure Mikhail Vatanin is that man. For that matter, I have a hard time seeing some soft-handed son take the place of a man who survived 9 years in the Soviet/Russian prison systems and managed to parlay a hot dog stand into a empire. I just can’t see Pavel Yevgenyevich getting the same level of respect from the troops. ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [4 October 2023 19:08 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/391 "2023-10-04T19:08:57Z")
> **[Exclusive: US will transfer weapons seized from Iran to Ukraine | CNN Politics](https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-us-transfer-weapons-seized-144111129.html)** > > The US will transfer thousands of seized Iranian weapons and rounds of ammunition to Ukraine, in a move that could help to alleviate some of the critical shortages facing the Ukrainian military as it awaits more money and equipment from the US and... ---
**Author:** ![Roxie](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/roxie/32/128_2.png) [@Roxie](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Roxie)\ **Post date:** [4 October 2023 20:34 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/392 "2023-10-04T20:34:23Z")
They really are desperate warmongers. ---
**Author:** ![Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/439d5e/32.png) [@Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Gavin)\ **Post date:** [4 October 2023 20:43 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/393 "2023-10-04T20:43:06Z")
From the CNN article: “_The [US] decision could drive a wedge between Iran and Russia, which have formed a de facto defense partnership over the last several months …_.” Our Betters are really smarter than me. I would have guessed that the US giving weapons it stole from Iran to Zelensky who is waging a proxy war against Russia on behalf of the US might actually give Iran and Russia even better reasons to cooperate to bring down the Great Satan. Silly me – not up to CNN level of understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Devereaux](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/devereaux/32/285_2.png) [@Devereaux](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Devereaux)\ **Post date:** [5 October 2023 16:04 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/394 "2023-10-05T16:04:18Z")
> [@Gavin](#): > > Silly me – not up to CNN level of understanding. More than just silly you. You have deigned to _oppose_ OPENLY the vaunted opinion of the “experts” at CNN. What hurbis! What gall! ?Are you not fully aware of just how much checking and rechecking and truth-testing CNN does for _every piece of published news_. I mean, I just… 😂😂😂😂😂 Sometimes you just crack me up, Gavin! ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [6 October 2023 14:43 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/395 "2023-10-06T14:43:35Z")
> **[Putin Claims 'Drunk and High' Wagner Boss Accidentally Killed by Grenade](https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/10/06/putin-claims-wagner-chief-prigozhin-accidentally-killed-himself-by-drunkenly-playing-with-grenades-on-flight/)** > > Private army boss Prigozhin and his men were probably drunk and high, and accidentally set off a grenade, Russian President Putin implied. ---
**Author:** ![jdougan](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/jdougan/32/2477_2.png) [@jdougan](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/jdougan)\ **Post date:** [7 October 2023 08:40 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/396 "2023-10-07T08:40:36Z")
> [@CTLaw](#): > > [Putin Claims 'Drunk and High' Wagner Boss Accidentally Killed by Grenade](https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/10/06/putin-claims-wagner-chief-prigozhin-accidentally-killed-himself-by-drunkenly-playing-with-grenades-on-flight/) While some of the stories I’ve heard about Aeroflot accidents in the old days [1] would make you never want to go near the flight path of a Russian aircraft, this seems a bit much. I wonder how much this is believed by non-elite Russians? 1. Pilot bet copilot 1 kopek he could land airplane with the blinds shut. He couldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![jdougan](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/jdougan/32/2477_2.png) [@jdougan](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/jdougan)\ **Post date:** [15 October 2023 09:19 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/397 "2023-10-15T09:19:57Z")
This how you do propaganda. [![](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/uploads/default/original/2X/4/4656d6a54443d4aed18683ecb63c417d68c2f233.jpeg "The Kremlin Presents: A Rumor in Rostov-on-Don") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1B6CJ-ydQE) The video has closed captions if it is unclear. “Footnotes” from comments: > [–] rhubarbjin Best Ukraine Meme and Best Video 2022 [S] 81 points 14 hours ago\* > Hopak-dancing Russians in the summer snow. It’s 100% accurate. [YouTube] > > (The song is a parody of “A Rumor in Saint Petersburg” from Don Bluth’s 1997 animated movie Anastasia.) > > I guess this is practically ancient history now. If I include footnotes, can we pretend it’s educational content? > > [0:08] That’s “Yevgeny V. Prigozhin” in Cyrillic. Our favorite warlord died on 23 Aug 2023, just one day after I finished writing the lyrics to this song. How inconsiderate of him. > > [0:53] Sergei Shoigu is Russia’s Minister of Defense. Despite his blinged-out general’s uniform, he has never served in the military. All his medals were designed by himself and awarded to himself by himself. > > [0:57] Yevgeny Prigozhin’s career can only be described as “eclectic.” He’s been a petty criminal, a street food vendor, a catering magnate, and he arguably perfected the business model of the “troll farm.” Of course, nowadays he’s most famous for being the public face of the Wagner Group. > > [1:05] Shoigu and Prigozhin absolutely loathed each other and competed for prestige within Putin’s inner circle. Throughout late 2022 and early 2023 there was friction between Russian M.o.D. soldiers and Wagner mercenaries, sometimes erupting into actual firefights. Shoigu began to withhold military equipment, prompting Prigozhin to publish a series of increasingly vitriolic videos on his Telegram channels that culminated with his infamous “where is the f\*\*\*ing ammo?!” rant. > > [1:19] While the Wagner Group was on their “March of Justice” towards Moscow, Alexander Lukashenko (president dictator of Belarus) presented himself as a mediator and helped broker an agreement between Prigozhin and Putin. Well, at least that’s what he says. We’ll probably never know what actually happened, but by the end of the day the “March of Justice” was over and Wagner fighters withdrew to newly-erected camps in Belarus. > > [1:24] Prigozhin was very insistent that he was not staging a coup (just, y’know, a military convoy driving towards the country’s capital seeking to replace some of its leadership). Despite his insistence to the contrary, there was wild speculation that Prigozhin had his eyes on the presidency itself. > > [1:28] Ramzan Kadyrov, the leader of Chechnya, has his own private army who is fighting on behalf of Russia. Well, allegedly. They mostly film themselves wielding high-end equipment against invisible enemies in obviously-staged skirmishes, and then post about it on social media. When Wagner fighters took over Rostov-on-Don, the Kadyrovites published a video claiming they were on their way to crush the rebellion. Predictably, they never showed up in Rostov-on-Don… Their excuse? They got stuck in a traffic jam. > > [1:38] There’s an often-quoted anecdote about Putin: In 1989, shortly after the fall of the Berlin wall, a crowd of protesters threatened to break into the Stasi HQ where Putin was stationed. His superiors informed him that “We cannot do anything without orders from Moscow, and Moscow is silent.” That event supposedly drove him to become president, so that Moscow would never be silent again in times of crisis. Kind of ironic, then, that the Wagner rebellion triggered complete paralysis in the Russian leadership and the mercenaries encountered no resistance on their drive towards Moscow. > > [1:54] Today’s word is “apparatchik,” a derogatory term for a bureaucrat in the Soviet state apparatus. An apparatchik frequently transfers between different areas of responsibility with little actual training, is generally incompetent, and is only in it for the job benefits. > > [2:06] As soon as news broke out, the Russian leadership withdrew into fortified bunkers while dozens of private jets took off from Moscow airports. No one knew what was gonna happen and everyone wanted to get out of the way. Putin was mockingly nicknamed “grandpa in the bunker” because of this. > > [2:42] Interestingly, the citizens of Rostov-on-Don greeted Wagner mercenaries like pop stars. People on the streets wanted to shake hands and take selfies with them. Did they not realize what was happening, or did they not care? ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [16 October 2023 00:58 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/398 "2023-10-16T00:58:30Z")
Hamas planning: [![](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/uploads/default/original/2X/1/1a278093febcbfcb615736a0dbcf725ab3887359.jpeg "Inside the HAMAS Operations Order from Operation Al-Aqsa Flood (YouTube Cut)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvYwfl7dgTY) ---
**Author:** ![jdougan](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/jdougan/32/2477_2.png) [@jdougan](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/jdougan)\ **Post date:** [16 October 2023 22:37 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/399 "2023-10-16T22:37:04Z")
Only problem in that video I see is how wrong he is about recoilless rifles. They are still in wide use, starting from the disposable AT-4 that he has almost certainly used in his old job, to the versatile and reusable Carl Gustav favoured by many NATO armies. Now, the old pierced casing recoilless rifles the US used to use are long out of regular service, but the US still uses other ones. ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [24 October 2023 17:13 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/400 "2023-10-24T17:13:32Z")
Could be in The Crazy Years: > **[Rogozin offered Putin to attack Ukraine with space missile after being...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/rogozin-offered-putin-attack-ukraine-124100214.html)** > > Dmitry Rogozin, former head of Roscosmos, Russia's state space agency, suggested that Russian President Vladimir Putin hit Ukraine with a space missile. The idea came shortly after he was hit by shrapnel in his buttock last December. ---
**Author:** ![eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/eggspurt/32/3686_2.png) [@eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/eggspurt)\ **Post date:** [26 October 2023 19:04 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/401 "2023-10-26T19:04:55Z")
[**Language trees with sampled ancestors support a hybrid model for the origin of Indo-European languages**](https://www.science.org/stoken/author-tokens/ST-1344/full) > Languages of the Indo-European family are spoken by almost half of the world’s population, but their origins and patterns of spread are disputed. Heggarty _et al_. present a database of 109 modern and 52 time-calibrated historical Indo-European languages, which they analyzed with models of Bayesian phylogenetic inference. Their results suggest an emergence of Indo-European languages around 8000 years before present. This is a deeper root date than previously thought, and it fits with an initial origin south of the Caucasus followed by a branch northward into the Steppe region. These findings lead to a “hybrid hypothesis” that reconciles current linguistic and ancient DNA evidence from both the eastern Fertile Crescent (as a primary source) and the steppe (as a secondary homeland). [![science.abg0818-fa](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/uploads/default/original/3X/b/2/b23664de029d9c6b1b95432a68aaf8325a7cf352.jpeg)](https://www.science.org/stoken/author-tokens/ST-1344/full) [![science.abg0818-f1](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/uploads/default/original/3X/3/e/3edb582daf991f47d9af07028d028b4d5a1f3b86.jpeg)](https://www.science.org/stoken/author-tokens/ST-1344/full) [Previous page](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919.md?page=19) [Next page](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919.md?page=21)