# Ukraine and Russia: War and Consequences **URL:** \ **Category:** The Happening World\ **Tags:** ukraine, russia, separatism, donetsk-lugansk, vladimir-putin\ **Created:** [21 February 2022 20:51 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919 "2022-02-21T20:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/eggspurt/32/3686_2.png) [@eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/eggspurt)\ **Post date:** [1 November 2023 13:11 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/402 "2023-11-01T13:11:00Z")
> **[‘Proof’ Putin does use body doubles as AI analysis shows multiple 'fake Vlads'](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24451024/vladimir-putin-body-doubles-ai-analysis/)** > > VLADIMIR Putin does use body doubles, a Japanese AI analysis has claimed. Research based on facial recognition, voice comparison, and body movements indicates there are several different Vlads… ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [1 November 2023 13:43 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/403 "2023-11-01T13:43:20Z")
I’m suspicious. Consider: > But sophisticated facial recognition [technology](https://www.thesun.co.uk/topic/technology/) found that the Putin who inspected the Crimean Bridge ten months ago was only a 53 per cent match with the Putin on Red Square. > > “Experts on face recognition would refer to this as ‘not matching’ in most cases, which leads us to the assumption this can be a double,” said the commentary. What standard is that? Is it the standard needed to enter as evidence for a criminal conviction? Also: > Analysis was made of previous Putin meetings with Chinese leader [Xi Jinping](https://www.thesun.co.uk/who/xi-jinping/) and his talks with Belarus leader [Alexander Lukashenko](https://www.thesun.co.uk/who/alexander-lukashenko/) - when there was a 94 per cent match of these being the same Vlad. Those photos would have been taken under similar circumstances such as Putin’s makeup and grooming, level of medication, wardrobe including wearing of body armor, and demeanor. ---
**Author:** ![Devereaux](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/devereaux/32/285_2.png) [@Devereaux](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Devereaux)\ **Post date:** [1 November 2023 16:32 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/404 "2023-11-01T16:32:54Z")
So once again, the risk of relying on “electronic” data. Time and time again we prove to be fooled, draw the wrong conclusions, misunderstand the conditions, or don’t truly recognize the limits of electronics. It’s **not** a human brain; it’s presence or absence of an electron that _we_ invented and programmed. ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [7 November 2023 10:55 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/405 "2023-11-07T10:55:58Z")
> **[Ukraine war: Grenade birthday gift kills army chief Zaluzhnyi's aide](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67342367)** > > Maj Hennadiy Chastyakov was opening presents at home near Kyiv with his son at the time of the blast. It’s an Eastern European thing. > [@The Crazy Years](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/the-crazy-years/1451/1151): > ---
**Author:** ![eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/eggspurt/32/3686_2.png) [@eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/eggspurt)\ **Post date:** [27 December 2023 15:06 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/406 "2023-12-27T15:06:05Z")
Costs: [![217025EC-8851-4C9D-A526-99957B8A587A](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/uploads/default/original/3X/0/0/00252f829de64c9e297a7cdfb45770af13c97fe2.jpeg)](https://www.russianspaceweb.com/2023.html) ---
**Author:** ![Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/439d5e/32.png) [@Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Gavin)\ **Post date:** [27 December 2023 15:19 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/407 "2023-12-27T15:19:32Z")
That is an interesting graphic. “Invasion of Ukraine” in 2014 of course refers to the US overthrow of the elected President of Ukraine and the start of the civil war there. One way to read the graphic is that starting in 2014 Russia realized that war with US/NATO and/or its proxy was inevitable, and redirected efforts from peaceful space exploration to producing things like hypersonic missiles and a new generation of ICBMs. Well done, Washington DC! A corollary is that the West may now be lagging Russia’s military build-up by the better part of a decade. We are ruled by dangerous fools. ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [27 December 2023 15:28 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/408 "2023-12-27T15:28:15Z")
Where is Europe on the graph and how are the European-Russian hybrids accounted for? > **[Russia halts Soyuz rocket launches from French Guiana over European sanctions...](https://www.space.com/russia-halts-soyuz-launches-french-guiana)** > > The announcement stalls Soyuz launches from French Guiana with European launch provider Arianespace ---
**Author:** ![johnwalker](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/johnwalker/32/17415_2.png) [@johnwalker](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/johnwalker)\ **Post date:** [27 December 2023 17:21 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/409 "2023-12-27T17:21:43Z")
> [@CTLaw](#): > > Where is Europe on the graph and how are the European-Russian hybrids accounted for? Here is the article from which the chart was taken. > **[Space exploration in 2023](https://www.russianspaceweb.com/2023.html)** > > Space exploration in 2023 by Anatoly Zak The focus is on 2023, a year in which European rockets launched only 3 times (2 Ariane 5, one Vega), same as Japan, and would barely make it off the X axis. Anatoly Zak scores Rocket Lab Electron launches from New Zealand as U.S. because their ironic parent company is incorporated in the U.S. to avoid imperial constraints on dealing with customers there. There have been no Soyuz launches from French Guiana since the invasion of Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [27 December 2023 17:27 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/410 "2023-12-27T17:27:28Z")
> **[Guiana Space Centre | Flights by launcher](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guiana_Space_Centre#Flights_by_launcher)** > > The space sector was responsible for about 15% of French Guiana's GDP in 2014, around half of the 28% it was in 1990. This reduction is mostly due to expansion in other sectors, rather than decreasing space activity. As of 2020, the space sector employed 4,620 people in Guiana, meaning the industry was responsible for just under 10% of salaried jobs in the overseas department, though there are estimates that as many as 9,000 people are employed directly and indirectly as a result of activitie The... ---
**Author:** ![Devereaux](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/devereaux/32/285_2.png) [@Devereaux](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Devereaux)\ **Post date:** [31 December 2023 04:35 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/411 "2023-12-31T04:35:47Z")
Sounds like “New Math” to me. ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [7 January 2024 18:10 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/412 "2024-01-07T18:10:50Z")
> **[Delivery of F-16 Fighter Jets to Ukraine from Denmark to Be Delayed](https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/01/07/delivery-of-f-16-fighter-jets-to-ukraine-from-denmark-to-be-delayed-by-up-to-half-a-year/)** > > Ukraine will reportedly need to wait up to an additional half year before receiving the F-16 fighter jets promised to the country by Denmark. ---
**Author:** ![eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/eggspurt/32/3686_2.png) [@eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/eggspurt)\ **Post date:** [5 March 2024 11:20 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/413 "2024-03-05T11:20:23Z")
Ukraine has been running out of ammunition. Can anyone guess why? [![GH5ui6EWUAAhotN](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/uploads/default/original/3X/d/7/d7a228601d333b553d294e1c2895669ee88af0b3.jpeg)](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573557/Flashback-Senator-Obama-pushed-destruction-15-000-TONS-ammunition-400-000-small-arms-1-000-anti-aircraft-missiles-Ukraine.html) ---
**Author:** ![CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/ctlaw/32/42_2.png) [@CTLaw](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/CTLaw)\ **Post date:** [5 March 2024 13:15 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/414 "2024-03-05T13:15:54Z")
What will Russia due to counter the arrival of F-16s in Ukraine? ---
**Author:** ![Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/439d5e/32.png) [@Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Gavin)\ **Post date:** [5 March 2024 14:38 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/415 "2024-03-05T14:38:50Z")
Is there any need for the Russians to do anything because of those rumored F-16s? All the previous Western WonderWeapons have not made any significant difference. Supply chain factors, big maintenance requirements, the need for secure pristine runways are huge real-world problems – and that is before considering the pilot-training issue. Worst case scenario is that US or other pilots fly “Ukrainian” F-16s from bases in NATO countries and strike Russian territory directly. In that case, residents of London, Berlin, Paris would be well advised to get out of there. Our Betters are pushing the world very close to the edge – for no apparent good reason. ---
**Author:** ![eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/eggspurt/32/3686_2.png) [@eggspurt](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/eggspurt)\ **Post date:** [5 March 2024 14:40 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/416 "2024-03-05T14:40:50Z")
> The Ukrainian counteroffensive faced another huge problem: lack of close air support for the attacking forces. It is almost impossible for a blitzkrieg to work without close air support, especially for the deep strategic penetration, but it matters greatly even for purposes of winning the breakthrough battle. As John Nagl, a retired colonel who teaches warfighting at the US Army War College, put it: “America would never attempt to defeat a prepared defence without air superiority, but they [Ukrainians] don’t have air superiority. It’s impossible to overstate how important air superiority is for fighting a ground fight at a reasonable cost in casualties.” > **[Why Ukraine’s Counteroffensive is Bound to Fail by John J. Mearsheimer](https://wp.ufpel.edu.br/labgrima/2023/09/08/why-ukraines-counteroffensive-is-bound-to-fail-by-john-j-mearsheimer/)** > > It is now clear that Ukraine’s eagerly anticipated counteroffensive has been a colossal failure. After three months, the Ukrainian army has made little progress pushing back the Russians. Indeed, it has yet to get beyond the so-called “grey zone”,... ---
**Author:** ![Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/439d5e/32.png) [@Gavin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Gavin)\ **Post date:** [5 March 2024 16:28 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/417 "2024-03-05T16:28:52Z")
William Lind has an interesting article – an imaginary conversation with some of the great German figures of the past. [Guest Article: His Majesty’s Birthday - Martin van Creveld (martin-van-creveld.com)](https://www.martin-van-creveld.com/guest-article-his-majestys-birthday/) Discussion of how the Ukraine could turn its disaster around and defeat Russia was going well until Bismark stuck his oar in: “_Why is Germany allied with Ukraine when Russia is far more important to us? Yes, we need the grain of Ukraine. But Russia offers vastly more: grain, oil and gas, strategic position, a large if low quality army, a decent navy and air force, the list is endless,” Bismarck went on. “I have no love for the “Laws of History,” but there does seem to be a general rule that when Germany and Russia are allied, both do well, and when they are opposed, both do badly. Is there really any need to discuss what the outcomes of the World Wars would have been if Russia had joined the Central Powers in a new Dreikaiserbund or the Axis? Max? Moltke? Anybody?_” Of course, in modern Europe, no “leader” is giving priority to the interests of his (so often, her) citizens. ---
**Author:** ![Mettelus](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/a587f6/32.png) [@Mettelus](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Mettelus)\ **Post date:** [5 March 2024 18:14 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/418 "2024-03-05T18:14:02Z")
[GMS posted a link](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/europe-s-perpetual-wars-franco-prussian-edition/4418/3) to this piece on a different topic. By the way, @gms thank you for that link. I was unaware of Martin van Creveld’s blog and I spent many hours in the last few days randomly reading some of his posts. ---
**Author:** ![Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/user_avatar/scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/citizen_bitcoin/32/19488_2.png) [@Citizen\_bitcoin](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/Citizen_bitcoin)\ **Post date:** [5 March 2024 18:21 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/419 "2024-03-05T18:21:10Z")
> **[Victoria Nuland, third-highest ranking US diplomat and critic of Russia's war...](https://apnews.com/article/state-department-victoria-nuland-retiring-russia-ukraine-b06cfb9ca517f1a7f2e10ee7520e3086)** > > The third-highest ranking U.S. diplomat and frequent target of criticism for her hawkish views on Russia and its actions in Ukraine will be leaving her post. ---
**Author:** ![gms](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/57b2e6/32.png) [@gms](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/gms)\ **Post date:** [5 March 2024 21:01 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/420 "2024-03-05T21:01:18Z")
Of course! He’s got a few interesting pieces on that website. ---
**Author:** ![magus](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@magus](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/u/magus)\ **Post date:** [11 March 2024 13:29 UTC](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919/421 "2024-03-11T13:29:49Z")
> **[Exclusive: Russia producing three times more artillery shells than US and...](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html)** > > Russia appears on track to produce nearly three times more artillery munitions than the US and Europe, a key advantage ahead of what is expected to be another Russian offensive in Ukraine later this year. [Previous page](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919.md?page=20) [Next page](https://scanalyst.fourmilab.ch/t/ukraine-and-russia-war-and-consequences/919.md?page=22)