Not many subject will polarise people so much as Israel.
Its creation and history.
And at the same time, those who do not support Israel, is an absolute minority.
And those who are not in favour of Israel is being bullied into submission.
So my question is, have we become adult enough, to discuss this subject without a total meltdown?
No.
What planet do you live on? The Islamists are wilding at will in most of the West. The slightest sign of accountability for their violent behavior produces astonishing squeals of protest from the global elites.
I’d say, if the tide is turning, it is against the Islamists. Which suits me just fine.
To my absolute..amazement, I am constantly encountering writers, even here, certainly bloggers like “Catgirl Kulak”, who, although they dont believe in Christianity personally, still feel that Jews have always gotten a free pass, that whew, surely the Holocaust (IF it even happened) is now far enough behind us that we can dare to criticize Israel again. There is only one site I frequent, (and many of you know/ use it, it’s one of our “legacy” sites for R> ), where I do not often, if ever, encounter antisemitism, and it’s the one where everybody is devoutly, or at least tribally, firmly Christian.
You think Jews are sacred cows, really?
Welp, HERE’s a subject which “will polarize as much as Israel”:
Lemme ask ya:
Why is there such a big furor over Epstein, and before him, Weinstein? When we’ve known for years that Bill Clinton went to the island 28 times—and in spite of the great clamor for “the truth ,” NO ONE has ever asked HIM Question 1?
Why is Hugh Heffner’s grave a kind of shrine,besmeared with lipstick kisses? “Heff” is a culture hero, even though in addition to Playboy, he published a more niche magazine, Sugar and Spice, with photos of girls “ as young as 11!” ( as is now said of Epstein; his victims get younger and younger..)
Yeah well Slick Willie and Heff aren’t Jewish. Idk, seems to me there’s ONE arena where straight WASP males still own a shrinking modicum of privilege.
And you are so right about Islam.
Every
single
measure
taken after 9/11 to protect us from them
has been weaponized to protect the Islamists from us.
The number of mosques in this country has more than doubled since 2001.
We look out on a sea of keffiyehs and Palestinian flags.
“Dare to criticize Israel”? Are you shitting me? We’ve looong passed that, to the point where we now “dare* to assault and kill Jews.
You have any data that those that do not support Israel are an absolute minority?
I am ok with saying all polling is hog wash, but I also don’t agree that we can assume the opposite with the utmost certainty.
you are right about the “sentiment of the moment” turning against Israel.
What I meant was (sorry for not being specific enough).
And at the same time, those who do not support the existence of Israel, is an absolute minority.
And those who are not in favour of Israel as a state is being bullied into submission.
According to my view, this is the discussion that we are not allowed to have.
Okay, Heinrich—or may I call you Hansi?—- let’s hear your argument as to why Israel has no right to exist.
Oh and P. S.: could you give us a few names of nation states which DO have a right to exist, and why.
Thank you for clarifying
There currently isn’t a furor over Epstein because he was Jewish today because he is no longer alive. Seems you don’t understand what the furor is over.
You gave two examples of people that were convicted versus two people never even charged with something. I don’t know how you measure furor so maybe the furor over potential discrimination or harassment of Jewish students versus harassment of Conservatives at these same institutions doesn’t apply. Or over OJ, Michael Jackson, Trump, Catholic priests, Justice Bork, Justice Thomas or Justice Kavanaugh. How about John Edwards, Senator Kennedy? How about Newt Gingrich did he do anything illegal or did he just divorce his sick wife? (I don’t study whether someone is Jewish or part Jewish so I assume at least the black guys and Catholics at least aren’t Jewish)
A lot of what you describe as furor has to do with politics and fame more than anything. Nobody would know Weinstein if famous actresses were not involved. Since I didn’t really follow Weinstein and only know he was accused of coercing actresses into performing sex, I now have to wonder if any of his accusers were attacked as antisemitic. My guess is no because being a woman outranks being a Jew in today’s aggrieved rankings.
Update: I did do a quick search on whether any of Weinstein’s victims were accused of antisemitism. Not that I could find. I did learn that 80 women came forward. Wow.
I know from other posts on this site that many think Weinstein was blown way out of proportion because the woman chose the casting couch. That doesn’t play with me much ever since I watched ordinary people be forced to take a vaccine in order to keep their jobs. I actually consider them victims. Guns aren’t the only way to force people into bad decisions.
I think everything you wrote proves my point. F’rinstance, “two people who were convicted vs. 2 people never even charged with anything.” .Um, yuh. I reckon it’s all PoV.
But thanks so much for your earlier analysis of the polling. Things don’t feel as if the majority of the U.S. supports Israel, but it’s great to have a basis to hope they actually do.
Honestly this is how victimhood works.
Blacks don’t commit more violent crime. The data says that Blacks commit murder 2 to 8 times more than Whites. Response: The data represents systemic racism. Blacks are discriminated against by the system such that they are targeted, arrested and thrown in jail while Whites walk.
All those murders by White people are ignored by the cops. Nothing is more important than being racist. Therefore, even when it is a cop that was killed, the cops are racist so will ignore white cop killers. In States that are overwhelmingly White the murder rate is low. I guess in these States they ignore murders just because arresting Whites would throw off the nation wide stats.
Just a clarification:
I didn’t say there was a big furor over Epstein and Weinstein being Jewish; I said there is a big furor over their actions, when there would not be if they weren’t Jewish. Cases in point: Clinton, Heffner.
(Although, on the fringes of social media, probably no sites you read, the term “Jew-perv” became quite current. )
Woody Allen, whom I consider to be the greatest comic of my lifetime, Jewish or otherwise, had his life and career ruined by such an accusation. And it wasn’t only law enforcement: Yale University undertook its own independent investigation of the matter (and found nothing.)
So you think Jews do commit more sexual assault than other groups.
But did you get what I said? Bill Clinton was at Epstein Island 28 times! Heffner published a pedophile magazine. Those are facts.
The black thing is interesting, though: let’s take Sean “P. Diddy” Coombs. What was he doing that many many other people in the music and entertainment industry were not doing? Orgying while black…..
No. I never said that. I never even thought that.
That is me telling you in a reply to you that what you said is how victimhood works. The subject of my reply is “this” (meaning what you communicated because I am replying to it) is how victimhood works (meaning what you communicated is an example of how victimhood works).
Then I used an example of how those that think Blacks are victims of racism will reply when you show them statistics on murder. They will then say that what you showed them is an example of racism. The same thing you basically did by saying what I said proved your point that it was all antisemitic because the Jews got convicted and the examples I gave that were not Jews didn’t.
Now this most recent reply is another example of when a person is so biased that they start reading into what is decently obvious something totally different that confirms their bias that the person (me) is an “ism”. In this case an antisemite.
Also notice that when I gave examples of other none Jewish people that also created a “furor”, I also specifically pointed out that I thought it was about politics and fame. You didn’t even consider this, but moved right on to the examples (of political and famous people) provided only proves the point that it is all about antisemitism.
In other posts, you indicate that the Epstein affair is probably nothing more than some older men that like em young having a good time. Now it is proof of antisemitism because Clinton hasn’t been convicted. Even though a lot of the furor is not at all about Epstein (given he is dead), it is about powerful people like Clinton seemingly not being investigated or charged.
Heffner was before my time. I think the thing you maybe referring too is his publishing photo(s) of Brook Shields naked as a ten year old which was legal because her parents gave permission. When I looked it up there was also a person that said their research indicated that on average there were 8 photos or cartoons that encouraged incest and pedophilia. There were also woman that made claims that could be described as similar to those against Weinstein with the exception that I never heard of these woman.
I am not going to do the research required to come to a conclusion. I wouldn’t be surprised if Heffner was doing the exact same thing as Epstein. Using woman to compromise powerful men.
The difference between the Heffner and Epstein situation is not that the difference in ethnicity. It is the difference in ability to be ignored. Fifty years ago, the controlled media could easily ignore anything that would lead to an investigation. They basically did the same thing with Epstein except a portion of MAGA (including Dan Bongino) kept this alive using social media. My theory is this: Whatever it is, it is extraordinarily bad. Bongino looks like he saw a ghost. Way beyond pedophilia.
Ritual child murder? No i reallly mean that, it’s not sarcasm.