Judge Not, that Ye Be Not Judged to be a Rational Human Being

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“Born that way”! This phrase is the teething ring of all sexual perversions and fetishism when they first peep out of the dark womb into the glorious sunlight of total societal acceptance, nay, celebration!

We saw it happen with homosexuality. We saw it happen with gender dysphoria. At first it was “Baby couldn’t help it,” but that quickly became “You’ve come a long way, baby!” If the gay and trans lifestyles are so great, why NOT “choose” them?

In 2023, when the movie Sound of Freedom came out, the Left couldn’t even muster up the gumption to say that, sure, in general, sexual abuse of toddlers is bad!
IDK, maybe this had to do with Ol’Bygone—remember the deployment of federal agents to seek and destroy Naomi Biden’s diary, reputed to be, uh, bubbling with accounts of showering with grandpa? Nah, probably you don’t. S’okay.

But, dear polymaths, if you Google “minor attracted person” , and review the medical/ NIH articles from the past 5 years that come up, you will see how close we were coming to launching pedophilia on the same trajectory toward widespread tolerance as homosexuality and transgenderism.

Now here’s the complicated part: Epstein.
He was originally just a rich old sex addict, sure, “liked ‘em young”, maybe, but that isn’t perverse, in human terms.
But it seems molestation of toddlers and prepubescents
, actual “children”, can still pack a punch, especially on the Right!

So, suddenly, the Left which yawned or laughed at Sound of Freedom and said not a word about Ol’ Bygone’s 300K “missing children” (again, actual children) who had disappeared into our country after he imported them, has discovered a new way to demonize Trump, because his admin indicated that the Epstein matter was closed (as opposed to Ol’ Bygone’s DoJ which did exactly nothing for 4 years). Epstein’s victims are getting younger and younger in the media.

The TRUTH! we want the TRUTH! RELEASE THE LIST! We want NAMES!!
Why?—so you can offer those individuals $100K speaking engagements?
Because that is the worst thing that has happened to Bill Clinton, known to have patronized the infamous island on many occasions.
Whynch ask him, Hey Bill, while you were there, didja see anybody you know?

Back to my title: “judgment”, the divine ( according to Genesis) ability to know what is right and what’s wrong, to know what is fitting for humans and what is aberrant, is essential in our lives. Even designated by the now-reviled term “prejudice”, it is simply a sine qua non of living. Without it, every single choice or decision we confront would be an agonizing and insoluble dilemma.
We were imbued with this faculty, by design or evolution, for very good reasons. We’ve deliberately turned our backs on it in the name of “tolerance” and “inclusivity”.
Until now, when the Left has discovered it can still stab us in the back by weaponizing it.

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Isn’t that the truth! We seem to lack appropriate language to describe the situation.

There is pedophilia – sexual abuse of pre-pubescent children, which most of us (at least those of us who are not card-carrying members of the Far Left) would want to have stamped out.

Then there is normality – 18+ year old young women who are humping like bunnies with all and sundry, bringing with it a plague of sexually transmitted diseases and abortions. But that is OK – their bodies, their choice.

In between, there is this yawning gap between the age of puberty (roughly 13, they say) and the totally arbitrary age of 18 fixed years ago by “Representatives”. Teenage years are difficult for most, and one size definitely does not fit all. We do not have a word to describe this phase of life.

To the extent that Mr Epstein & his guests seemed to focus mainly on very willing, well compensated, highly experienced but still fresh-faced 17 year olds – can that really be described as “pedophilia”?

In the case of President Clinton’s Oval Office dalliance with a female employee, the Usual Suspects assured us that it was only about sex – nothing to see here. Now those Usual Suspects are obsessing about sex in Mr. Epstein’s case – presumably as a distraction from the real issue: the potential for blackmail of key individuals.

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Well, that’s the thing: it isn’t very blackmail-y stuff, unless you imply schtupping toddlers.

(As for Lewinsky, don’t make me laugh. She was well over 21 and she was the seductress. It was kinda like he was a prisoner; she could visit him whenever she wanted, but he couldn’t get out to go to her. My only problem with his “chronic Venus insufficiency” in THAT instance was that he was doing it on our dime, during work hours! )

Oh P.S @Gavin , there IS a word: nymphet.

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This is the tell that it isn’t young woman. If it was just men having affairs with young women, Trump wouldn’t be having a cat and Pam Bondi would release the files she said she would.

You guys can go on imagining what you think happened, but actual investigative reporters have said girls down to 13 years old. This is before Trump gave the media something to whip him with.

Before you come back with the response that the sources of my information are questionable, please keep in mind what you don’t know. You don’t know if girls were raped. You don’t know if they were thirteen. You don’t know if they were drugged. You simply assume the girls were all voluntary whores just a couple of minutes from being legal. That is total speculation.

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Oh, 13? You can do better than that: why, lately I’ve heard “as young as 11”!
And BTW: you have no proof that anybody HAS been or is being blackmailed.

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Not quite an assumption. Years ago during the Florida episode of the Epstein case, I actually read some of the detailed reports. The State’s main witness was a young woman whom Epstein hired to find other young women who would dance for him – seriously, “dance”, admittedly without their shirts on. The young woman had committed to Epstein that she would check ages and make sure all the dancers were 18 – but she lied, and she sought girls under the age of 18. And then she cut a deal with the State prosecutors (who are lawyers, enough said) to testify against Epstein in exchange for immunity.

Epstein forgot Rule #1 – Never trust a woman … or a lawyer. But that does not make him a pedophile.

As for the stories of 11 year olds – that apparently comes from an airport worker’s guess at the age of some young women she saw going to Epstein’s plane. Maybe the same kind of airport worker who got Rush Limbaugh into trouble for having some non-prescribed medications in his bag. Confidence level in those kinds of stories is very low.

Note a peculiarity – any little girl who had been raped by Bill Clinton or someone similar two or three decades ago could make a fortune selling her story to the media and doing a book tour … and yet not one of the “1,000” has grasped that profit opportunity. Why not?

But with all that said, the Powers That Be obviously don’t want full disclosure. Why not? The rational assumption is that there is something much bigger than sex with willing teenagers involved.

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Some people don’t want to end up dead and some people cannot ever get published. Hell there is a whole group of fiction writers that cannot get published.

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Let’s try harder! Many a male supervisor has had his career terminated for having sex with a female subordinate. But Clinton’s case is worse than that. it is often forgotten that Monica started off as an unpaid intern in the White House along with other young female unpaid interns. Monica was the one who got hired after the internship. Did some other more talented young woman lose the opportunity for a paid career in government because she was not fast enough to get down on her knees? Why did none of the rejected unpaid interns not sue over this?

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I can’t agree that someone in government is desperate not to have the stuff released. It could just be that “full disclosure ” of this tawdry prostitution operation just isn’t the business of government.
I think a list will be generated ( I don’t believe he ever kept one—what for?) nd The List will be released, and it may very well bring down…..Hollywood.

As for your comment like Why didn’t the other girls sue because Monica was promoted to fellatio and they weren’t? Oh CTFO. Look up a contemporary photo of her, y’cant ignore that mouth, those lips…a BFOQ!

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Whenever this topic surfaces, I harken to the “defining deviancy” discussion back when Daniel Moynihan and Charles Krauthammer took worthy positions. It seems to me the underlying problem is society’s growing refusal to have any standards limiting human behavior as to anything! Even those areas deemed unacceptable are fraught with problems. What, exactly, is “trafficking”?

Suppose, for example, Bill C age 65, was about to engage a 16 year-old female in a tryst. In preparation, say he drove her to a nearby gas station (maybe it was located in an adjacent state) to buy condoms. Let’s further plausibly suppose that said 16 year-old looks 25 and has worked “professionally” as a prostitute since she was 14, having earned several hundred $K. She has willingly engaged in hundreds (or thousands) of sexual encounters of every imaginable permutation involving every bodily orifice with sufficient numbers of simultaneous partners to tend to leave none unoccupied. Was that “trafficking”, legally speaking?

Please compare the outrage against “trafficking” - largely on the basis of protecting children (the above hypothetical, high-mileage girl is deemed a “child”) in this odd formulation. Meanwhile, a similarly aged or even much younger (maybe 8, for example) boy or girl, is said by our betters to be fully able to consent to permanent bodily mutilation. Compare that to being “trafficked” for lasting damage to an actual child’s life.

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Written like a rational human being.

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Good advice … for us all. For the record, I feel more strongly about the sexual abuse of pre-pubescent children than most people; if it happened, the perpetrators certainly should be punished in this life as well as the next one – but I have little confidence in anything published in today’s media.

I probably mentioned before one thing that I do know – at reliable second hand. A man I know when he was a college student was a summer hire on Epstein’s expansive New Mexico ranch doing outdoor work. He saw lots of guests arriving, a few of whom he recognized (such as Prince Andrew) because they were the kind of people whose photos show up in the media.

He also saw the “girls” – who struck him as indistinguishable from the college girls he saw during term time. He certainly could not judge if they were 17 or 20. Those young women played around outside, rode horses, and seemed happy to be there.

From what he saw, there was no suggestion of 11 year olds or 13 year olds. This is not much, but it is the most reliable report to which I am privy.

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It isn’t the same people and often what you are considering as a public response is just the media’s response.

Not to mention people are often inconsistent in their views based on bias. How many people on social security are all for Trumps not taxing social security while simultaneously being outraged that Biden was going to forgive student debt. How many people over 55 piss and moan about having to pay tax for schools because they don’t have kids in school. Did they have the same position when they had kids in school? They support the pickleball courts everywhere paid for by taxes and mostly used by the retired, but not the high school.

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Great article on this on American Thinker today: “The Elephant, the Mouse, and the Machine” by Rick McDowell. As he points out, after years of inaction, suddenly THIS prostitution ring is the biggest issue EVER??
Oh I’m so sick of this. The guy is dead. His “victims” if such they were, are all grown up. It’s over. And like I said, what are the self-righteous bozos gonna do if they DO get The List? Pleeeeze, the Russia hoax conspiracy is a much bigger story and unlike Epstein, it is important.

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A new entry into the Epstein saga – or the cover up.
:hot_beverage: DRACULA’S BRIDES ☙ Tuesday, August 5, 2025 ☙ C&C NEWS :microbe:

Deep State organ NYT has published photos of the inside of Epstein’s New York mansion in its glory days. (Severe lack of good taste when it comes to choosing furnishings!). But, but, but … there were no photos or video recordings, remember?

… Consider this: in a story about never-before-seen photos from the inside of a federal crime scene, with high-resolution images of one of the most politically and culturally explosive narratives going, the Times never once said where the photos came from. …

… Next, the Times pointed out the cameras, the bedrooms, the massage rooms, the cascades of elite visitors, and the network of “young female assistants”— but never once directly connected those dots to the most obvious, long-standing suspicion surrounding Epstein: That the townhouse was a surveillance trap , designed to record blackmail material on the world’s most powerful men. …

Finally, and the biggest admission of all: the Times pointed at but never mentioned all the potential witnesses. The article described dozens or hundreds of staff and visitors, but never speculated about their value to an investigation. It pointed out all the cameras, but never mused about who installed and maintained them. Or where the videos went.

The Times showed us the cameras. They showed us the rooms. They showed us the guests. But they never asked the only questions that matter: If the house was wired —and it clearly was— then where are the recordings? Where are the hard drives? Who had access? Who took custody? Where are they now ?

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Hey I just read that the Clintons have been subpoenaed by the Congressional committee “probing” Epstein (what ever that means). But YAY!!!
Oh they’ll probably just plead the Fifth, but I wanna hear them song it….

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Why plead the Fifth – which most of us in the Great Unwashed will interpret as an admission of guilt – when they can simply go back to Hillary’s playbook: “I do not recall”.

Of course, to most of us in the Great Unwashed, Hilllary’s inability to remember anything demonstrated either that the “smartest woman in the world” had the intellectual capacity of a ham sandwich, or that she was a total liar.

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You mean wipe like with a wash cloth. She must have coached Bill with his it matters what the definition of is is.

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This comparison is apples/oranges - easily “distinguishable” as lawyers like to say. The underlying problem which crosses many lines is the carefully-taught-in-public-schools entitlement and victim mindset. Disastrous to any possibility of a functional civil society.

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I see no comparison. Social security is money you earned. Student debt is not.

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