Request for comments - Paper on "Techno Hutteritism", or planning a community so it can carry culture forward

Hi all!

I’m Dave, I wrote a paper on a strategy for forming a planned community for the purpose of carrying a culture forward within a larger polity. My friend Aleks thought the community here might find it interesting and possibly provide some constructive commentary.

I had to break all the hyperlinks b/c of new poster limitations, sorry.

Thanks!

-Dave

A Call to Techno-Hutteritism (DRAFT)

Let’s take some pages from the past and update them, so we might maintain our cultural integrity, and secure our future

Executive Summary (TL;DR)

An analysis of cultures existing inside larger cultures/polities that have been successful in maintaining their integrity reveals several tactics and strategies:

  1. Mobility - The ability and willingness to move when necessary

  2. Martialness - The ability and willingness to project force

  3. Industry - Organization around a business that provides desirable goods/services, preferably indispensable to the larger surrounding polity

  4. Reinforcement - An explicit mechanism/tradition to reinforce the culture and pass it on

  5. Growth - A method of spreading the culture

This can be done by a variety of methods which we will explore below (end of TL;DR).

Unless you’ve been living amongst a yet-undiscovered Amazonian tribe (or perhaps a high-tech spacefaring breakaway civilization), you’ve noticed that the culture of The West has been degrading under an assault from without (and within) for the last 150 or so years. This has had a predictably disastrous effect on our people, to the extent that it has become an existential crisis. If we fail to recognize this, and take steps to preserve it, we and our descendents will surely perish.

This actually presents a huge problem. How do you manage to keep your culture intact when you exist within a majority population that is at best ambivalent… And at worst openly antagonistic to your kith and kin? What can we do while anti-civilizational spiteful mutants - puppeted by a hostile foreign elite, wield the organs of the state and the institutions of banking, media, education, etc. to attack us? What can we do as America and its satrapies [slouch towards a post-state era]( www.anarchonomicon. com/p/after-the-state-the-coming-of-neo)?

Having lived through a tsunami of this pernicious nonsense of the past fifty years, I have been inspired to find a solution to the problem of shepherding a culture through the cycles of history. In the course of this I have examined cultures(1) that have survived for generations (even many centuries) despite being minorities in a larger polity. I believe I have hit on a solution. First, let’s look at some examples of people who, despite being surrounded by a larger dominant culture, have managed to maintain their unique identity.

One of my personal favorites are the [Zomia]( anarchyinaction. org/index.php?title=Zomia). A Southeast Asian mountain people, they have adopted the practice of living where the lowlanders prefer not to. When they are encroached upon by the peoples and/or the states that surround them (they exist in an area which overlaps ten countries), they simply retreat farther into the mountains to avoid them. Their existence would be charitably called “rustic”, but they are willing to trade this in order to maintain autonomy. The key takeaway here is that the Zomia’s successfully apply tactical mobility

The Chechens are another example of a persistent minority people. A rebellious subset of the “Vainakh” people, they are surrounded by the much larger Russia, which they have rebelled against since, wel, [always]( www.waynakh. com/eng/chechnya/history/). Only recently, and after a protracted and extraordinarily bloody conflict, did they achieve a detente with Russia, which awarded them their own republic. This appears to be maintained by their agreement with Russia, that when called upon, they will fight for them, and it appears they are enthusiastic to do so, [but only most of them]( www.gisreportsonline. com/r/chechens-ukraine-war/). Chechens, it appears, are so feisty they’ll take up opposite sides of a conflict just to do some more fighting’. The key takeaway here is that the Chechens are exceedingly martial.

Another group we can examine are the peoples of the [Amana Colonies]( infogalactic. com/info/Amana_Colonies). A German Protestant people who were so radically pious that not only the German government but the Lutherans persecuted them. For eighty years(2), they managed to maintain almost complete autarky, passing on skills from generation to generation, and eventually formed the [Amana Corporation]( infogalactic. com/info/Amana_Colonies) (makers of refrigeration units, and more famously, the Amana Radar Range microwave oven). The key takeaways here are that the Amana Colony members were technically oriented and industrious, and that they used a corporate structure.

This brings us to the Hutterites, to whose name I’ve affixed “Techno” as a term for this proposal (mainly because it has that cool Germanic ring to it, and has the benefit of not showing up in search engines … yet). The [Hutterites]( infogalactic. com/info/Hutterite) are a radical Anabaptist sect, similar to the Amish and the Mennonites, but have adopted (perhaps evolved) traditions which are effective. The strategy that stands out for me is their tradition of [splitting their communities]( infogalactic. com/info/Hutterite#Daughter_colonies%20once) when they exceed something around Dunbar’s Number(3). This has the benefit of keeping the community small enough to be naturally cohesive. The key takeaway here is they have a mechanism to spread their culture, and still maintain it.

At this point you’re saying “That’s all very well and good Dave, but when are you going to get to how to save our families and culture?” Fear not, I’ve constructed the frame, allow me to paint the picture… Imagine a group of people frustrated by the state of affairs to the point where they take matters into their own hands. How would they go about constructing a community that can weather the sturm and drang of the greater masses of humanity, and continue to thrive, grow, and flourish?

They might well decide to purchase some hundreds of acres of undeveloped land in a semi-remote, relatively uninhabited area of say, the United States, for the purpose of a planned community. They would then organize around a central industry (something the Hutterites do), say perhaps drone manufacturing, [nutraceutical production]( omve. com/process-plants/), or even [small-scale rapid-development semiconductor fabrication]( atomicsemi. com/). You could engage in construction via 3D printing ([they’re printing entire villages this way in Russia]( amt-print. com/more-info/news-articles/whole-villages-are-being-printed-in-russia/)).This would also naturally allow you to expand your “company town” at will, and you could even make it beautiful using a secondary industry [that carves stone using 5-axis milling machines]( www.monumentallabs. co/) (thanks to substack. com/@kingpilled Kingpilled for the link).

They would also want to incorporate a secondary industry that supports that industry (e.g. computer controlled machining and/or additive manufacturing), to help insure against obsolescence.

The strategy here is to create a business that provides an essential product or service to the larger political entity that the community resides in. Much like the Chechens (who provide a cadre of young, aggressive, courageous fighters when required by Mother Russia), if you are at least useful to the larger polity, then you’ll be mostly left to your own affairs. If you could make yourself indispensable, you could achieve a level of autonomy many only dream of. This also prevents another risk, state and local government intrusion. If they decide to become too extractive, you can appeal to the stronger authority to keep them off your back.

“But what if the central US gov’t collapses to the extent they can’t keep local and state governments off your back, Dave?! What do we doooo then?” Glad you asked…

This hypothetical “company town” can take a page from the Zomia and organize their industry to leave on a moment’s notice. The business can plan to pack everything up and fit it into shipping containers, that might never leave their wheeled axles, ready for quick retreat to another tract of land, already purchased and ready to receive the colony, whether it’s from a “midnight move” or just having grown too large to be manageable. [You might even keep as much of the equipment in the containers as possible, just to speed up the process]( www.youtube. com/watch?v=oJZQYEkGpCw).

If the state or local government is aware that the community has the means to easily pack up and leave to a more favorable location, you might well find them acting in your interest to remain, as the income generated and spent into the larger community would quickly become essential to their standard of living. (4)

Why would you want to “calve off” a second community? There’s several reasons: One is to maintain it to a size where there’s organic cohesiveness, avoiding the natural tribal conflict that arises once communities grow too large. I imagine this could be many multiples of Dunbar’s Number (which can observably be exceeded with technology, e.g. an address book you keep notes on people in (e.g. John the mechanic, son of Joe the plumber, wife Susie, daughter Sammy. Many of us already do this)). Another reason is one of the strategies that the enemies of humanity have used to great effect is Divide and Rule. If your community is tight, that’s a lot harder. Another reason is that distributing your culture makes it durable. If one colony gets wiped out, for whatever reason, that doesn’t end it (and any survivors will have options to relocate)…

Let’s say this actually gets put into effect. I can easily imagine that the daughter colonies would want to hold a council meeting of the heads of the various industries these communities are organized around. This could be done on an annual or quarterly basis. There might even be get-togethers where families could get to know other families, and perhaps choose to change colonies, or marry off their sons and daughters. This would also allow for technology and skills exchange, and strategy sessions. This could also be an intentional, [21st Century Hanseatic League ]( infogalactic. com/info/Hanseatic_League)(5)

As each community is organized around a privately held joint-stock company, there’s no need to worry about having incompetence forced on you from the outside. You can buy in, or stay out. Those of meager means but skilled and competent will be staked by the existing members. Aspiring members might also first start out as employees, opt to take part of their wages in stock, and once earning sufficient stake become part of the community.

Organizing the community around the company essentially creates an “extended family business”. This can have the extremely important benefit of what to do with our ambitious women, who would otherwise doubtless grow up to be insufferable, childless girl bosses.(6)

You would want to train up your young men to be competent in the martial arts, including firearms, small unit tactics, and the latest state of the art in warfare. This is because as the Chechens have proven, enthusiastic martial prowess makes one harder to oppress and kill. Also having a cadre of trained young men can be valuable to the larger polity (as the Chechens are), and in the case of the United States, they could be easily incorporated into the county’s Sheriff’s department, either full time, part time, or on an as-needed basis. This would also have the benefit of affording everyone in our modern Techno-Hutterite community the “blue discount”.(7) This has the added benefit of getting other local jurisdiction’s boot off your neck.

This proposal should be of great interest to men of means, because they could, instead of building armageddon bunkers on remote islands, instead set themselves up as a modern day 21st Century baron ([or dare we say: duke]( www.youtube. com/watch?v=32jLrE7YKG0)), with a community of men that know what they’re about, ready to defend and protect him as necessary, as their fortunes are bound to his.(8)

The community would want to see to the education of their children themselves, naturally. An essential part of it would be the history of their forbearers, and the history of the colony itself, especially the reinforcement as to the reasons why they felt it necessary to do so in the first place. If by any chance you know any aspiring dukes or barons, by all means, point them this way. The future of humanity may well depend on it.

There’s also the option of simply buying a majority stake in an existing town. You’d want to buy up as many houses and rental properties as you can, and rent them at reasonable or even below-market rates. You’d also want to buy up as many businesses as you can, and pay the locals who would work there well. This is to ingratiate yourself to the community, which helps you put your people into public offices (esp. The sheriff, the mayor, and the town council), and will help grease the skids when you proceed to install your local high tech & somewhat less high-tech/supporting industry. Opportunity to buy in can be extended to locals that are considered a good fit. Also, as my friend [Cappy Copernica]( substack. com/@copernicus99)n has noted: Buy up all the bars. All of them. Pay the staff well, and don’t overcharge on the drinks.

This is ultimately of course only a temporary solution, as students of deep woo-woo history are aware of the [Yuga cycle]( clifhigh.substack. com/p/conspiracists-guide-to-the-great), which marks the rise and fall of humanity over tens of thousands of years, but this is a much larger problem. I hope to address this in a future article (working title: “Why We Must as a Species Create Isaac Asimov’s ‘Foundation’ In Real Life: Except Make It Based, Instead of Fake and Gay”), but that’s a larger nut to crack, and Techno-Hutteritism is a logical first step along that path.

  1. This is no means an exhaustive list of such cultures, but I have examined: The Jews, Chechens, Druze, Quebecois, Zomia, and the various radical Anabaptists/Protestants. They all have certain characteristics, and traditions that have enabled them to survive as distinct cultures, and have for the most part, managed to grow their numbers.

  2. The Amana Colonies died out, unfortunately, because of their rather [uncompromising stances on marriage, which were consequentially anti-natal]( infogalactic. com/info/Amana_Colonies#Marriage_.26_kids). As a side note, while much ink has been spilled over the fertility decline, it looks like all you have to do is make motherhood high-status and shockingly enough, [women want to have kids again]( theworld. org/stories/2016/08/01/mongolia-where-motherhood-merits-medal).

  3. “…a suggested cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships—relationships in which an individual knows who each person is and how each person relates to every other person.” Suggested to be 150 people. [ infogalactic. com/info/Dunbar%27s_number

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  1. This avoids the problem the Zomia have, needing to retreat further into the mountains when they are encroached on, but much like the practice of open carrying a firearm, you’d be much less likely to need to do so/use it.

  2. I first learned about this from the Kingpilled Podcast, check it out here: kingpilled.substack. com/p/interview-emergent-perspective-elon-212 and [ kingpilled.substack. com/p/interview-emergent-perspective-the

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  1. [ socialmatter.substack. com/p/the-girlboss-a-misunderstood-phenomenon

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  1. The “blue discount” is a slang term for when law enforcement officers, when realizing they have caught another law enforcement officer in a non-capital crime, use their discretion to look the other way. If you’re new to this term FYI: This happens all day, every day. It also applies to family. If you doubt me, if you’re good friends with one? Ask a cop. If he says this doesn’t happen, tell him you don’t care, but you’re either thinking of becoming a cop, or recommending someone you know become one, and tell him to stop bullshitting you, because you’re cool with all that.

  2. I’ve drawn inspiration from this article on intentional communities: socialmatter.substack. com/p/intentional-communities, and from this article on “Techno-Cantons” nelsonrelliott.substack. com/p/the-techno-canton-a-vision-of-a-free both well worth the read and a follow.

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It is an interesting concept. It might be worth some exploration of how (if?) this can work in a technological society. Think of how many people were involved in the supply chain to put that laptop on your desk – from the geologist somewhere to the miners in Mongolia to the process workers in China to the shipbuilders in India to the dock builders to … There is no way a small community can match that.

The Amish do an excellent job of limiting their use of technology. They will still buy a chainsaw imported from Sweden and gasoline to run it which came from Saudi Arabia – but they will pay in cash for what they trade from the outside world, and they still have grandpa’s axe in the shed.

I seriously wonder if it might be better simply to deal head-on with the internal enemies who have been bringing down the West (and ultimately themselves). Make them see the light – or bury them, one way or another.

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There are a variety of levels of abstraction at which one can respond to the desires reflected in Hutterism, each with their own degree of accessibility to those feeling those desires. Unfortunately, there is an inverse correlation between such accessibility and long-term effectiveness.

Optimizing this trade off in the context of “Techno Hutterism” I’ll just say:

Militia.Money

And no more.

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I considered that, and there are many who are doing just that.

But, in the interest of restoring a manner of living more natural to humans (which modernity in it’s many ways has disrupted), I thought a more anti-fragile approach to shepherding and developing culture might be of use to advancing humanity, thus, this work-in-progress paper.

Forming a Techno-Hutterite community wouldn’t necessarily preclude also dealing head-on with internal (and external) enemies though - In fact, it might allow for more resources and methods to defeat them.

Thanks for reading and commenting!

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Interesting ideas, although I would argue instead of “young men”, I would instead argue for “able men”. Plenty of young men out there who haven’t taken the time and effort to become dangerous.

I’d also argue that you don’t necessarily need “militia money”, as if you have a well-ordered militia, power (which will translate into purchasing power) will automatically flow to the members of said militia. That’s perhaps a distinction without a difference.

Thanks for commenting!

PS It’s f’n hilarious to me that the auto-caption translated “politiburo” into “polyp bureau”

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Not only do I agree, I have an operational definition of “able men” upon which I’ve based my local ecclesium:

See point 8 in:

https://fairchurch.org/ecclesium/berkana/law.html

But that gets into the kind of culture that produced men like President Jackson, and we all know THAT is INSANE don’t we?

So, for we SANE people, living in this, the SANE world of of The Future and Progress, I’ve offered another operational definition that is recognized by current law that is as close as I could get and still be legally permitted. Men who are registered for the draft. That’s a “discrimination” that Biden tried to get rid of for obvious reasons but which has enough reality in it to possibly actually work.

If you fail to provide an equally legal and operational definition for who receives the sovereign privileges of your society, I’m sorry but you’re just not going to make it and you may as well not even try.

The moment you start handing out the economic rents equally to all young men, those shirking young men will magically disappear or they will get whipped into shape by the command hierarchy formed by the other young men empowered to actually have a stake in the future via their bloodlines. You know… TFR arising from affordable family formation. You don’t think a young guy sitting around vaping and playing pretend combat video games wouldn’t have his ass handed to him within a couple of months?

If so, you don’t understand human nature and shouldn’t be thinking the Grand Thoughts you have been thinking.

Property owners having their property rights protected by permitting the benefits to flow from the top down to the young men that they rely on to protect their property rights have demonstrated they are incapable of not becoming addicted to the false security of law enforcement and military.

PS: You’re talking to a guy who goes out on EMS and volunteer fire emergencies probably more than any other person in southern Iowa as a volunteer and I just turned 71. If I am willing to give up my sinecures to young men because I want them to form families, why shouldn’t I just fucking kill property owners that don’t have faith in the young men?

There’s no point in living if there is no future life because we old men have castrated the young men and I’d be willing to go down fighting and be crucified to protect their bloodlines even though mine has been terminated.

Where do YOU come down, Sir?

See The Cycle of Civilization

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That brought back a long-dormant memory which might be relevant to your proposal.

I don’t know if this was true, or merely an urban legend.
Back in the long-lost days of the “Summer of Love”, some hippies hit on the idea of trying to create a Hippie State where their ideas would become dominant. They realized that hippies far outnumbered the population of the State of Wyoming. The word went out and, during that summer, large numbers of hippies gravitated towards Wyoming, intending to vote themselves into power. Then came winter, and the idea died!

There would seem to be two approaches to techno-hutterism. One is to have small largely-mobile communities that run at the first sign of trouble. The other is to have a sufficiently-large community which can establish itself within defined boundaries and is prepared to fight off signs of external interventions/aggression.

For an individual, practically speaking the alternative would be to recognize a place which today seems to be on the right road, and go & join that community. Hence, in the 18th & 19th Centuries, large numbers of Europeans voted with their feet and came to America. Today, we see reports of some US citizens voting with their feet and moving to Russia.

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Briefly: If you don’t own a rifle, ammo & parts to run it for an extended period (~shoot 25% of the barrel out), and the training and will to use it, your opinion is of little import. Pretty sure we agree on more than we disagree. :wink:

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I’m sympathetic with folks who invest most of their preparation resources in arming themselves materially, physically and mentally. There’s a lot of that kind of pseudoindividualism going around these days out of desperation in the absence of command and control with which they can identify. But war is anti-individuality and that’s why it’s Hell. If you really want to be effective as a lone wolf, you’d better be prepared to think more strategically and in a manner that your adversary would wish you were using bullets.

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My thinking is do both. Initially the community will be too small and needs a bug-out plan. Eventually it becomes too much trouble to stamp out.

As you noted, this is happening. It’s also happening in the US (quietly).

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First of all, lower your damn voice… (j/k)

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whispering: OK. I was only attempting to emphasize the importance of command and control. For example using countycurrency.org to put young men under the command and control authority of their Sheriff, by using transferrable tax credits to not only cultivate local resilience, but issuing those tax credits to the young men that volunteer as deputy reserves, EMS and fire fighters. The problem, as always in this Maoist Hell of pseudo-capitalism, is the property owners’ failure to recognize that they’d have far less property if not for civil society’s provision of property rights founded on the flesh blood and bone of those young men having a stake in the future via their own ability to outbid the property owners for the fertile years of young women.

I’m really pissed off at the large land owners that don’t recognize this since when I introduced the idea of forming a “militia” here in southwestern Iowa, the guy in the caucus who pulled the NPC stereotypical response to the word “militia” (ie: OK CIty, blah blah blah) was a large land owner with Mexican Cartel Boots On The Ground Labor who have him and his family by the balls.

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That might work.

I’ve personally been advocating that high-threshold Georgism/Geolibertariansim is a solution for this and many other societal ills.

You set the tax threshold at say, average price of an undeveloped 40 acre lot (that’s got water, some standing timber, and arable land). We’ll double that, just to be generous.

No taxes on that amount of land. An Amish or Mennonite could stay on it and provide for his family, and perhaps never leave except to trade.

Anything over that, start taxing progressively, until when you get to say, 1000 acres, you tax at 50%.

Caveat: All land must be held in title by a natural living person, any other owner gets taxed at the full rate.

Any landowner is taxed on the total amount owned. No splitting up large tracts.

No other taxation is allowed. Land tax only. Improvement via structures are not taxed. No income tax. No sales tax, etc. No hiding ownership behind legal fictions (corporations, trusts, etc.).

If you think about it, it solves a lot of problems, by aligning a lot of incentives.

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That’s pretty close to my 1992 assault on Maoist pseudo-capitalism:

https://ota.polyonymo.us/others-papers/NetAssetTax_Bowery.txt

To that end, this white paper argues for the adoption of the following policy reform:

The government should tax net assets, in excess of levels typically protected under personal bankruptcy, at a rate equal to the rate of interest on the national debt, thereby eliminating other forms of taxation. Creator-owned intellectual property should be exempt.

The use of government-backed debt instruments as a baseline for the calculation of asset value in the net present value formula indicates the existence of a de facto negative tax on net assets pervading all sectors of the economy.

This situation, which provides a form of “capital welfare”, sets off a familiar chain of events:

Centralization of net assets leads to corporate central planning and monopolistic practices in the private sector with a drop in wealth-creating entrepreneurial investment. The consequent loss of equity in the general population, particularly in families with children and new businesses, has a tragic and predictable result:

Structural economic decline and social decay.

I wrote that shortly after having testified before congress on our grassroots coalition that got a law put on the books to prevent NASA from competing with companies like SpaceX:

And after having served as VP Public Affairs for a company that had acquired the rights to commercialize the MX Missile as a orbital launch vehicle, where I got the first Ka-band license issued for digital services (that eventually became territory occupied by HughesNet etc.).

The experience of getting NASA out of the business of raising capital from the tax payers for risky technology, and then attempting to raise capital from the private sector triggered me to revisit something William Norris had said about risk averse private capital back when I was trying to get the PLATO network deployed to the mass market (and Cray was spinning off Cray Research).

Then, the Maoist tools came out of the woodwork with their “Austrian” and “Chicago” School sewage. That REALLY pissed me off and set me on a mission that sacrificed my career trying to get to the bottom of what the hell was destroying the West. Turned out to be a virtual suicide mission as I had no idea how deeply corrupted the West had become by Mao’s Revenge for “A Hundred Years of Humiliation” starting with the opium trade, taking the form of “capital welfare” as a kind of Fentanyl for capitalists.

PS: It wasn’t only Maoist tools that did Mao’s dirty work. Genuine Maoists – people who truly believed in The Communist Manifesto’s recommendation of progressive INCOME tax, also opposed the reform.

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http://countycurrency.org

Or this?

Yes, welcome,@dnarby. But I’m not sure what vision you’re promoting. Small, isolated communities which survive because they can produce something the larger “gentile” community wants, so therefore the larger community will tolerate them? This isn’t a criticism, I’m just trying to get a handle on what you’re advocating. Kinda an “ internal colony”? A minnow living in the gut of the Leviathan?
Maybe you and @jabowery and @eggspurt will think I’m too far behind you polymaths ever to catch up! But this is, as you recognize, an old idea, not a new one.

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I doubt there is preservation of a culture within a bigger political culture that is antagonistic.

My other comment is that the Hutterites are defined by their religion. That is what they are preserving. Whatever culture you plan on preserving needs to be as defined as their religious beliefs are defined.

A couple years ago one of the colonies in north central South Dakota was not performing economically. They received visitors from a Canadian colony and all the leadership was replaced. I don’t know where the hierarchy of leadership between colonies is defined, but it is fully understood without question.

This is to point out that part of the reason they can maintain a culture is that the hierarchy is accepted as part of what they are preserving. If, for example, individuality is part of the culture you wish to preserve it is hard to follow these examples.

This is one reason attempts to start libertarian communities fail.

Going back to point one. The Hutterites live within a very tolerant society (to date). However, when I was young they had to take the school board to court (it might have been the county board). The school board decided that they would no longer provide a teacher to the colony because the school board assumed that given they are religious, they must not pay taxes. Except they did pay taxes. The point is that in a tolerant society, you still have people that will be antagonistic towards others that are different. Imagine how it goes when the society isn’t generally tolerant and doesn’t have institutions that are somewhat fair.

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Your point about individuality is the essence of it, I think. It’s the reason the Amish communities have survived, but the many communal socialistic communities formed in the 19th century: Fruitlands, Brook Farm—were short-lived. And your anecdote about one of the Hutterite communities replacing their leader with someone who could restore economic success, indicates that no matter what they preach, they do need and rely on strong and capable leaders, in other words, like Jonestown, like Waco (God I hate to even think of those episodes) at the core is a cult of personality.

Do you, @dnarby, think the vast reservations created here for the American Indians, and the reservations set aside for the aborigines in Australia, could under any circumstances have resulted in preserving those tribes’ traditional way of life?

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