Ukraine and Russia: War and Consequences

I’m not sure I get what Russian disinformation has killed westerners, but even if true, it isn’t in the same order of magnitude as the number of folks killed due to american (sic) disinformation warfare - against our own population. For example, two false narratives have been so firmly established that tey are widely believed, despite being glaringly FALSE: 1. the astounding and unending false depiction of this society as “systemically racist” and 2. that police inordinately shoot black men. These assertions have been studied many times and objectively shown to be FALSE. Thus, the leftists with monopoly control of all the institutions and the permanent deep state have completely propagandized us and the lies have had intended and violent effect; many scores (at least) died as a direct result in the wake of the FALSE George Floyd narrative.

The propaganda caused Antifa and BLM to become the new storm troopers who brazenly implemented the violence knowingly and intentionally called forth by the orchestrated ad hoc blaring disinformation campaign (a sudden amplification of the chronic repetition of the narrative) implemented by our own government and it various organs and apparatuses. In addition to the direct killings post George Floyd, other gratuitous, random anti-white violent acts continue to occur endemically (mostly non-reported in coordination with the same propaganda). These are also a result of this carefully-curated and ceaseless propaganda - created narrative. If propaganda were an Olympic event, we win the gold, hands down.

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1000 percent correct

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Oh, speaking of wildly successful propaganda - I neglected to mention the campaign dis-establishing the simple biological fact known to all for all time: two sexes! And, this propaganda has resulted in many disfigurements and even deaths of children (and removals of children from their parents by the state for refusal to use the approved compelled “pronoun speak” with their own children in their own homes!). The destructive effects of Russian (information warfare extends destroying a society from within) propaganda on US society doesn’t begin to approach the destructiveness of our “own” propaganda.

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I’ve mentioned it before, but if you haven’t read it, it might be worth the time. It’s called The Fifty Year Wound, written by some Scandinavian I believe. It follows our history in 4 year chunks, corresponding to each presidential term. It examines the CIA reports and predictions made to the president. It is uncanny how often the CIA got it wrong, to the point that a president could pretty safely take a CIA prediction and count on it being 180 degrees off the mark.

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Lisa Desjardins on X: “BREAKING here: These are the amounts and details in @SpeakerJohnson’s plan - from source in room. More… https://t.co/TzS3ybFu5h” / X (twitter.com)

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Now here is an interesting wrinkle in the mess that Our Betters have created:
UK insurers refuse to pay Nord Stream because blasts were ‘government’ backed - The Grayzone

"British insurers are arguing that they have no obligation to honor their coverage of the Nord Stream pipelines, which were blown up in September 2022, because the unprecedented act of industrial sabotage was likely carried out by a national government.

The insurers’ filing contradicts reports the Washington Post and other legacy media publications asserting that a private Ukrainian team was responsible for the massive act of industrial sabotage. …

The brief comes a month after Switzerland-based Nord Stream AG filed a lawsuit against the insurers for their refusal to compensate the company. Nord Stream, which estimated the cost incurred by the attack at between €1.2 billion and €1.35 billion, is seeking to recoup over €400 million in damages.

Swedish engineer Erik Andersson, who led the first private investigative expedition to the blast sites of the Nord Stream pipelines, describes the insurers’ legal strategy as a desperate attempt to find an excuse to avoid honoring their indemnity obligations.

“If it’s an act of war and ordered by a government, that’s the only way they can escape their responsibility to pay,” Andersson told The Grayzone."

The situation is even more complicated since the NordStream pipelines were about 50% owned by European companies. When is a war not a war?

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1984 Oceana

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We need to purge the outer party first then overthrow inner party

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No need for action.
This will implode upon itself.
The End Is Near :wink:
The last two wars WWI and WWII was, as many before, centred around Europe.
Remember Europe is 5% of the World population.
So if Europe goes up in smoke it really does not matter so much for Humanity.
If Europe wish to continue to live then stop poking the bear.
But as I see this, they need and want this collapse of Europe and the elite does not care about the people.

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Successful leaders have often noted the difficulty of getting honest reports instead of subordinates telling them what they think the boss wants to hear. Key word there is “successful” leaders. Here is a contrary example from the Canadian Armed Forces:

Dances With Bears » CANADA IS LOSING ITS WAR AGAINST RUSSIA SO IT HAS THREATENED SENIOR ARMY OFFICERS WITH COURT MARTIAL FOR “DISLOYALTY” (johnhelmer.net)

"A senior Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) officer, who is the Assistant Chief of Staff at the NATO Allied Rapid Reaction Corps (ARRC), faces court martial, “dismissal with disgrace”, and loss of his military pension for having disagreed with Canadian, American, and British military planners of Ukrainian battlefield operations against Russia. His disagreement was in private, when the officers were asking for his professional assessment, and didn’t like what he told them.

"Colonel Robert Kearney was charged by the Canadian military police on April 23. The charge sheet says he faces “five (5) x counts of Conduct Prejudice to the Good Order and Discipline pursuant to section 129 of the National Defence Act.” …

"… Canadian military sources believe Kearney is being court-martialed now because the Canadian government’s policy to finance, arm, train, plan, and direct Ukrainian operations against Russia is being defeated, and that the military collapse east of Kiev now risks loss of more territory and the lives of Canadians currently working in the Ukraine and at cross-border bases in Poland and Romania. At least one thousand Canadians have been counted by the Russian Defense Ministry on the battlefield since the start of the Special Military Operation; by March of this year, 422 had been confirmed killed in action. …

… The offences reportedly took place at the British staff headquarters of the ARRC in Gloucestershire, and then in Romania where the unit has been training for cross-border operations against the Russian Army. …"

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From Arnaud Bertrand, a post on x.com :

Wow, China and Russia issued an extraordinary joint statement yesterday, with almost 8,000 words when translated into English, and in many ways more important than the famous “no limits” partnership statement in February 2022.

Here are the points that stood out for me.

BUILDING A NEW WORLD ORDER
The statement says that it is an “objective factor” that “the status and strength of emerging major countries and regions in the ‘Global South’ [are] continuously increasing”, and that “the trend of world multipolarity [is] accelerating”. This in turn “accelerates the redistribution of development potential, resources, and opportunities in a direction favorable to emerging markets and developing countries, promoting the democratization of international relations and international fairness and justice”.

They point out that “countries that adhere to hegemonism and power politics are contrary to this trend, attempting to replace and subvert the international order based on international law with a so-called ‘rules-based order’”.

Security-wise, the statement says that “both sides believe that the fate of the peoples of all countries is interconnected, and no country should seek its own security at the expense of others’ security. Both sides express concern about the current international and regional security challenges and point out that in the current geopolitical context, it is necessary to explore the establishment of a sustainable security system in the Eurasian space based on the principle of equal and indivisible security.”

They go on to say that China and Russia “will fully tap the potential of bilateral relations” in order to “promote the realization of an equal and orderly multipolar world and the democratization of international relations, and gather strength to build a just and reasonable multipolar world”.

As for the vision of this world order these 2 principles seem to be the foundational ones:

  1. An order with no “neo-colonialism and hegemonism” of any kind: “All countries have the right to independently choose their development models and political, economic, and social systems based on their national conditions and people’s will, oppose interference in the internal affairs of sovereign countries, oppose unilateral sanctions and ‘long-arm jurisdiction’ without international law basis or UN Security Council authorization, and oppose drawing ideological lines. Both sides pointed out that neo-colonialism and hegemonism are completely contrary to the trend of the times, and called for equal dialogue, the development of partnerships, and the promotion of exchanges and mutual learning among civilizations.”
  2. An order based on the UN Charter: “Both sides will continue to firmly defend the achievements of World War II and the post-war world order established by the UN Charter”

EXTREMELY STRONG CONDEMNATION OF THE US
This condemnation starts with the paragraph highlighted above that “countries that adhere to hegemonism and power politics are contrary to [the trend towards a multipolar world order]”, and the statement also condemns the fact that these “countries” (i.e. mostly the US) are “attempting to replace and subvert the international order based on international law with a so-called ‘rules-based order’”.

They also write that “both sides call on relevant countries and organizations to stop taking confrontational policies and interfering in the internal affairs of other countries, undermining the existing security architecture, creating ‘small yards with high fences’ among countries, provoking regional tensions, and advocating for camp confrontation.”

They further say that “both sides oppose the hegemonic actions of the United States to change the balance of power in the Northeast Asia region by expanding its military presence and forming military blocs. The US, with its Cold War mentality and camp confrontation model, puts ‘small group’ security above regional security and stability, endangering the security of all countries in the region. The US should stop such actions.”

On top of that the statement speaks of “serious concern about the United States’ attempts to undermine strategic stability to maintain its absolute military superiority, including building a global missile defense system and deploying missile defense systems around the world and in space, strengthening the ability to disable the opponent’s military actions with precision non-nuclear weapons and ‘decapitation’ strikes, enhancing NATO’s ‘nuclear sharing’ arrangements in Europe and providing ‘extended deterrence’ to specific allies, constructing infrastructure in the South Pacific Nuclear-Free Zone treaty member Australia that could be used to support US and UK nuclear forces, engaging in US-UK-Australia nuclear submarine cooperation, and implementing plans to deploy and provide land-based intermediate-range and short-range missiles to allies in the Asia-Pacific and Europe.”

The statement also condemns “the United States’ unconstructive and hostile ‘dual containment’ policy towards China and Russia”: “The United States’ actions of conducting joint exercises with its allies ostensibly aimed at China and Russia and taking steps to deploy land-based intermediate-range missiles in the Asia-Pacific region have raised serious concerns for both sides. The United States claims it will continue these practices with the ultimate goal of establishing routine missile deployments worldwide. Both sides strongly condemn these actions, which are extremely destabilizing to the region and pose a direct security threat to China and Russia, and will strengthen coordination and cooperation to respond to the United States’ unconstructive and hostile ‘dual containment’ policy towards China and Russia.”

On Asia-Pacific specifically they write that “both sides oppose the creation of exclusive and closed group structures in the Asia-Pacific region, especially military alliances targeting any third party. Both sides point out that the US “Indo-Pacific Strategy” and NATO’s attempts to take destructive actions in the Asia-Pacific region have negative impacts on the peace and stability of the region.”

They also “demand that the United States refrain from engaging in any biological military activities that threaten the security of other countries and regions” and they oppose the “use [of] outer space for armed confrontation and oppose the implementation of security policies and activities aimed at achieving military advantage and defining outer space as a ‘combat domain.’”

Lastly the statement condemns “the US and its allies’ deterrent actions in the military field, provoking confrontation with the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, and exacerbating tensions on the Korean Peninsula, potentially leading to armed conflict”, and asks that “the United States and NATO, as the responsible parties for the 20-year invasion and occupation of Afghanistan, should not attempt to deploy military facilities in Afghanistan and its surrounding areas again but should bear primary responsibility for Afghanistan’s current economic and livelihood difficulties, bear the main costs of Afghanistan’s reconstruction, and take all necessary measures to unfreeze Afghanistan’s national assets.”

ENORMOUS EXPANSION OF CHINA-RUSSIA COLLABORATION
This will be my last point, the statement has an immense list - dozens and dozens of items - of expanded cooperation fields between both countries.

These are some of the most important ones:

  • Military cooperation: “[both sides] will further deepen military mutual trust and cooperation, expand the scale of joint training activities, regularly organize joint maritime and air patrols, strengthen coordination and cooperation within bilateral and multilateral frameworks, and continuously improve the ability and level of jointly responding to risks and challenges.”
  • More trade, mutual investments and help each other economic development: “continuously expand the scale of bilateral trade”, “continuously improve the level of investment cooperation between the two countries”, and “jointly develop advanced industries, strengthen technical and production cooperation, including in the civil aviation manufacturing industry, shipbuilding industry, automobile manufacturing industry, equipment manufacturing industry, electronics industry, metallurgical industry, iron ore mining industry, chemical industry, and forest industry”
  • Cooperation on energy: “consolidate the strategic cooperation in energy between China and Russia and achieve high-level development, ensuring the economic and energy security of the two countries. Strive to ensure the stability and sustainability of the international energy market, and maintain the stability and resilience of the global energy industry chain and supply chain.” Also nuclear energy: “deepen cooperation in the field of civilian nuclear energy based on the experience of successful and ongoing projects, including thermonuclear fusion, fast neutron reactors, and closed nuclear fuel cycles”
  • Promote each others’ currencies and financial infrastructure: “Increase the proportion of local currency in bilateral trade, financing, and other economic activities. Improve the financial infrastructure of the two countries, smooth the settlement channels between the two countries’ business entities, strengthen regulatory cooperation in the banking and insurance industries of China and Russia, promote the sound development of banks and insurance institutions established in each other’s countries, encourage two-way investment, and issue bonds in the financial markets of each other’s countries in accordance with market principles.”
  • Deep education and scientific cooperation: “promote the expansion and improvement of quality in mutual study abroad programs, advance Chinese language teaching in Russia and Russian language teaching in China, encourage educational institutions to expand exchanges, cooperation in running schools, conduct high-level talent joint training and scientific research, support cooperation in basic research fields between universities, support activities of alliances of similar universities and high schools, and deepen cooperation in vocational and digital education”
  • Cooperation in the media and shaping public opinions: “Strengthen media exchanges between the two countries, promote mutual visits at various levels, support pragmatic and professional dialogues, actively carry out high-quality content cooperation, deeply explore the cooperation potential of new media and new technologies in the field of mass media, objectively and comprehensively report major global events, and spread true information in the international public opinion field.”
  • Cooperation within global institutions: “deepen bilateral cooperation [at] the UN General Assembly and the Security Council”, “supporting the role of the World Health Organization”, “strengthen cooperation within the WTO framework”, “cooperation within the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO)”, “uphold the BRICS spirit, enhance the BRICS mechanism’s voice in international affairs and agenda”, etc.

I could go on and on, the scale of the cooperation they detail is absolutely breathtaking, both countries are going all in with each other.

This statement is absolutely extraordinary and will likely shape the world for decades to come. We now have Russia and China explicitly stating they’re all in with each other to bring about a new “equal and orderly multipolar world and the democratization of international relations”, and put an end to US hegemonic behavior. No more pretend, it’s happening.

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This sounds like an echo from a century ago:

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A lot to digest here. Thank you.

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That must be a little bit tongue-in-cheek on the part of China and Russia. “.…absolute military superiority ….” of a country that chaotically abandoned Afghanistan, is failing to contain the activities of a handful of impoverished Houthis, and whose wonder-weapons are demonstrably under-performing in the Ukraine?

DC Swamp Creatures may imagine that they have “absolute military superiority”, but they are probably the only ones on the planet with that view.

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As of today, the Ukraine does not have a President. Zelensky’s term of office ended yesterday, May 20. Elections which were supposed to have been held earlier were cancelled – by Zelensky. Yes, this is the kind of “democracy” that is worth dying for!

For comparison, the US managed to hold a Presidential election during World War II, when a significant portion of the electorate was overseas and in combat.

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From the Business Insider article:
If the Group of 7 leaders are able to finalize the loan’s details in a meeting next week, it could make this a reality for Ukraine. So far, reserves have sat untouched in depositories, such as Euroclear; there, a trove worth $206 billion is generating over $3 billion in interest a year. According to NYT, a loan based on the accumulated interest could offer Kyiv an up-front lifeline of $50 billion.

How can a trove worth $206 Billion be generating only $3 Billion per year in interest? 1.5% interest rate! Even local banks are paying 4%. It seems the message to the world here is – Never leave any funds in Euroclear; those guys are either incompetent or dishonest … maybe both.

And let’s not get started on how $3 Billion a year of interest can be used to support a $50 Billion loan. The local bank will certainly not give a peon a loan of 16 times gross annual income.

Corruption? Incompetence? Stupidity? Those Euros seem to have it all covered.

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