United Healthcare CEO killer nailed

For those who might want to offer him support, here ya go:

https://x.com/pepmangione

[https://www.instagram.com/luigi.from.fiji/]

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Looks like a representative of Effective Altruism / TPOT community:

His thought-leaders:
https://x.com/PepMangione/following

Looks like we have a frontrunner for Penn alumni of the year.

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Any relation to Chuck? Does Luigi blow a mean horn?

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Within a minute or two of his name first being made public, and up to when it was taken down, his instagram account was gaining > 500 followers per minute.

All the accounts I posted links to above have since been taken down.

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Looks like a bunch of globalist shitlibs. Let 100 flowers bloom. Long live Chairman Mao!

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I thought right away that it was a disgruntled insured. No im not ā€œsupportingā€ Luigi, @caddzooks, even though I do think the insurance industry is the root of all evil.
Whenever someone is hospitalized, two teams spring into action: Team Provider, whose goal is to make sure the hospital gets paid, and Team Health Insurer, whose goal is to avoid payment . It is an intolerable, edematous situation.

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You forgot Team Ambulance Chaser. They also get a taste.

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Thank you, Hypatia, for expanding my vocabulary. ā€œEdematousā€ is not a word I can recall ever having heard before. Some of the literature on vocabulary size suggests that mature (!) individuals still grow their native language vocabulary at about the rate of 1.4 words per week. However, speaking only for myself, it is a red-letter day when I learn a new English word.

Thus, you sent me to the dictionary, which lists ā€œedematousā€ as an adjective under ā€œedemaā€ ā€“ the effusion of serous fluid into the interstices of cells. Now the issue is that I already knew the word edema, from first-hand experience, unfortunately. Did I really learn a new word today with ā€œedematousā€, or did I learn that my interpretation of language is slipping? It is very difficult to quantify vocabulary size!

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Word ā€˜round the campfire is that Luigi was a fan of Uncle Ted and had Pepe on his social media profile. In retrospect, itā€™s not surprising but I have to admit, that want on my bingo card for 2024. I know this news will upset Normie but I wonder how Lefty will take the news.

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Obama care has done irreparable harm to health care. If you want to shoot someone, direct your aim at everyone who supported and voted for Obama care.

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That would be a bloodbath. There are so many.

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The manifesto:

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Yeah, who knows if itā€™s bogus or not. Either way, itā€™s semi-literate. Uncle Tedā€™s was way better.

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Iā€™ve been pondering this comment.
The epithet ā€œambulance chasersā€ for the attorneys allegedly culpable in the unsatisfactory health insurance fiasco suggests reference to personal injury lawyers, specifically those who specialize in car accidents. But that wouldnā€™t make any sense. We werenā€™t talking here about auto insurance. And additionally, ā€œambulance chasingā€ techniques, like trying to get the injured to sign a retainer while theyā€™re still in the hospital, are prohibited by our disciplinary rules at least in my state. Theyre no more than the stuff of hoary lawyer jokes.
So maybe this is meant to refer to plaintiffsā€™ bar medical malpractice attorneys? Malpractice payouts have been steadily dropping for decades now, and I suspect most states have legislation like Pa does: you cannot sue a doctor (or any professional) without a certification by a professional in the same field that the case is meritorious.

And of course, it is attorneys who wrote and promulgated the rules against ambulance chasing techniques and those requiring a certification of merit.

So, who are these lawyers who are allegedly keeping the rates of health insurance so high, and the payouts so low? Could this be meant to refer to attorneys who do insurance defense work? But they arenā€™t the ones responsible for the decision to contest. And it could also be argued that by weeding out non-meritorious injury claims those lawyers actually contribute to cost control.

What WERE you dear polymaths thinking of? Or do you just assume everybody hates lawyers, so somehow THIS mess has to be our fault too?

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Besides increased costs, defensive medicine is one of the odious consequences. If memory serves, erstwhile presidential candidate John Edwards made his fortune chasing those particular metaphorical ambulances.

Iā€™m skeptical that Americaā€™s trial lawyers have let this lovely cash cow get away. Got any actual data showing that total malpractice payouts have fallen?

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Hypatia ā€“ I hope you will understand when I say that your critique of the expression ā€œambulance chasingā€ with respect to lawyers was ā€¦ lawyerly! It focused on a narrow interpretation of words, instead of dealing with the central concept.

We are surrounded by lawyers trolling for anyone who thinks she might have been a victim of any sort of issue ā€“ and advertising the multi-million dollar payouts those lawyers have obtained for their clients (minus the lawyers multi-million dollar share, plus the lawyerā€™s never-small expenses). Every conscious human knows that big corporations, insurance companies, and hospitals donā€™t pay those verdicts ā€“ we all do, through higher prices and reduced services. Net effect is that we members of the public believe that members of the legal profession are immorally fattening themselves at our expense.

Please donā€™t take any of this personally. I am sure there are lawyers who are ethical and are not engaged in these practices. Sadly, those lawyers are apparently not able to do a good job of policing their profession.

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The data show a small decline (~10%) over about 15 years, a bit more decline after accounting for inflation. So, yes, thereā€™s been a decline but itā€™s hardly a game-changer. Plenty of lawyers are still getting their beaks wet.

Admittedly, this is a small fraction of the total healthcare budget, though the payouts arenā€™t the entire cost of litigation. The malpractice insurance premiums and the cost of defending against lawsuits have to be added to the total payments. Defensive medicine also costs money, in the form of unnecessary tests and procedures.

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Itā€™s those 90% of bad ones who spoil the reputation of the other 10%. :grinning:

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Funny Iā€™ve never run across any of the outta control attorneys you mention. Also funny you think lawyers can all be called ā€œambulance chasersā€ while recognizing that probably, well maybe, not all lawyers are like that.
So if I refer to the clergy as a whole as mountebanks, and the medical profession as charlatans, itā€™s okay, everyone is to understand that, contrary to what I actually SAID, I only meant a few of them deserve those epithets.
As for declining rates nd payouts of malpractice claims, you can find that info on the net just by asking the question.
Moi, Iā€™m primarily a land use lawyer and a legal journalist, Donā€™t worry, Iā€™m not taking it personally. (Iā€™m just not gonna take it silently for once.)

The insurance industry, bloated with profits, is the sole culprit. It should GO. Third party payments are the main reason for health cost increases. But then, it employs so many people I canā€™t see how weā€™ll ever get rid of it.

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