What Do the Jews Represent?

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This morning I read a piece by Bari Weiss on The Free Press, about rising anti-Semitism in the U.S. I didn’t realize until I finished it that she wrote it in 2021. Things have gotten exponentially more dire since then: how long did it take, a week? For the world to start blaming Israel for Oct 7?
As Weiss memorably puts it, the Jews are now accused of being “Neo-Nazis”, while at the same time actual Neo-Nazis are harassing and terrorizing them.

But here’s what she said, as an answer to my title question:
Everywhere and always, the Jews represent freedom.
They live in societies whose religions they don’t espouse, and still, they flourish, they rise to the top. They demonstrate a parlous independence.
It’s infuriating. Anger boils over, with drearily dependable regularity, into pogroms, into destruction of the Moneylenders’ Quarter. And yet, they endure.

I’ve written before about my anguish as a Gentile wife, a Ruth to my dear Boaz. I always think maybe, the tide has reached its peak, the foul flood MUST now begin to recede. But it doesn’t. As the Psalmist lamented, “The waters have risen up to my neck.”

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70 to 75 percent of American Jews vote Democrat.
Do these voters represent freedom?
I would argue the exact opposite…

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My BMD sez they do it because under no circumstances do they want to be seen as anti-assimilationist. Thats why, incredibly, so many American Jews do not support Israel. i reckon I can see that. They adore FDR,that “casual anti-Semite” who wanted ‘em all to move to Alaska for, what was it, ten years? (And then what?) I think it’s always been a kind of desperation. Look up Irène Nemirovsky.
But for the reasons I just posted, they CAN’T fully assimilate. Not unless, as many have, they renounce,or just discard, their Jewish ethnicity. (But of course, they can’t get away from that now, at least not the men— they could be forced to submit to a government-run equivalent of 23 and Me.) Oh yeah, religion doesn’t really matter; it certainly didn’t to the Soviets. This is a race- hatred, IMHO one of, if not the, oldest one on our planet.

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Milton Friedman, who was orthodox during his childhood, represented freedom; unfortunately his views on capitalism and freedom are not mainstream American Jewish

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unfortunately the views of Milton Friedman did not represent the mainstream of America or Judaism… both groups were to the left of Friedman

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Anti-Jewish feelings have been acceptable for quite some time – see W. Shakespeare. But more recently, it is difficult to separate anti-Jewishness from Anti-Israel. Being pro-Palestinian has been a popular view among student-types for many years – despite the behavior of the Palestinians in the Levant.

Let me note that the Palestinians I have met outside “Palestine” have uniformly been excellent gracious human beings. Maybe the good ones find a way to get out? The ones inside “Palestine” have driven out (genocided?) the once vibrant Christian Arab community there. They have robbed the UN blind, using the funds in part to build offensive weapons such as the imported water pipes they repurposed as missiles.

The support for “Palestine” from the Usual Suspects is hard to understand. The beloved only son of a lady I know took a student trip to “Palestine” – some Palestinian youths beat him up and robbed him. The lady is still a fervent supporter of “Palestine”.

What I have long wondered about is the difference between “Palestine” and Tibet. China invaded and occupied Tibet at about the same time that the modern State of Israel was set up with a certain amount of violence. The Jewish claim on the Holy Land long predates China’s much more recent historical claim on Tibet – and yet the Beautiful People have mostly forgotten about Tibet while continuously fretting over “Palestine”. One wonders why? If anything, the Tibetan people are more worthy of foreign support.

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Yuh and so are the Basques. “Why?” Because a I said , anti Semitism is the oldest hatred on our planet.

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Does that mean Merchant of Venice is anti Semitic literature?

Even Trump didn’t know or think that the portrayal of Shylock was anti Semitic

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I don’t know what this has to do with a legacy of voting democratic. The democratic party doesn’t promote assimilation. It has a history of doing the exact opposite. It is the party that divides people up into various groups. It tells blacks, Hispanics, gays and working class people to view the world as their group being oppressed.

It is extraordinarily odd that the Jews who are statistically over represented in the extremely wealthy and powerful class would support politics that has thrived on “eat the rich”.

What you believe is that people should identify and prioritize their ethnicity. At the same time, you don’t like the results of prioritizing ethnicity.

It cannot be both. We cannot live together and divide up based on group identity.

The most common response to a group that prioritizes their group is for everyone else to conclude that the group is out for themselves.

I think the vast majority of Jews do prioritize based on ethnicity. It may be understandable, but it is very bad for Jews. The same thing applies to blacks. Of course they can justify their prioritization based on slavery.

It doesn’t have to be ethnicities. The same thing applies to gays, women or any other group identification.

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No, sir. Your first paragraph actually bears out my BMD’s theory. Jews, at risk to their own lives, as in the South during the civil rights movement, support any group they see as marginalized by the rest of the society. And that’s the “American thing to do.”

And why, IMHO, is it illogical for Jews not to support Israel, even if it opens them up to charges of dual allegiance?
Because Israel, their historic homeland, is their last refuge. Because Israel is the only group of Jews with an army an Air Force, and nuclear weapons.

Oh, yes, Jews in America have enjoyed a long “holiday from history”as Weiss (I think) put it. I would never have thought I’d see it end in my own lifetime. BUT IT IS ENDING! Do you watch TV? Have you seen the sea of keffiyehs and Palestinian flags? Have you noticed the increase in anti-Semitic hate crimes?
Do I “believe people should identify and prioritize their ethnicity”? H’mmm, maybe: IF they think the alternative is that their society will do it to them. The Soviet Union knew which citizens were of Jewish origin, even though the individuals themselves knew nothing of their ethnicity nor the associated religion.

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Maybe. My guess is that there were many hatreds among our distant progenitors long before there were Jews. However, there is no doubt that hatred of the Jew has now become one of the few hatreds which can be proudly displayed in public.

There is a chicken & egg problem – which is the driver in the minds of today’s Far Lefties? Do they hate Jews because of Israel, or hate Israel because of the Jews?

What we do see in the behavior of the Usual Suspects is that they lionize the under-performer – the disabled, the trans-gendered, the illegal alien. The problem for both Israel and Jews is that they are over-performers – and therefore bad.

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In my experience with “Neo-Nazis” (if there can be such a thing in reality as oppose to larpers) they’ve at least told me they never felt hostility to Jews that would permit them to exclude Jews from their society.

Speaking of actual Nazis, however, there is that Transfer Agreement to deal with which, one might recall, was subverted by an international boycott of Nazi Germany by a rather influential group that some serious Zionists of the day, were extremely pissed off at.

Maybe that’s why people are calling Zionists “Nazis”.

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/stanford-suspends-student-co-op-accused-of-urging-jewish-students-to-leave/

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A bright spot, grace à Trump vs. Columbia, UCLA et al:
Who ever thought we’d see universities giving money to Jews?

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If that’s the connection to Nazis, then Zionism/Zionists is still incredibly down the list of things/people to be associated with Nazism.

And who are you equating with Nazis, the Zionists who failed in the deal or the “rather influential group”?

What was the deal? Who were the “rather influential group”? How did they prevent the deal given that The British controlled the place and seemed to disapprove? What were the consequences of preventing the deal?

Note numbers and dates please. For example, many American leftists (including Jewish immigrants from the immediate pre-WW1 era and the WASP establishment) were lead by commies. So they were anti-Nazi except during the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. And many people waving the book around seem to effectively take the position that because Zionists failed to bring less than 1% of the European Jews to Palestine, the poor Nazis were forced to kill them all.

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I was aware that “the book” was a rather sore spot for precisely the reason you cite. It is quite worth “waving around” for one very simple reason:

The “Peace” of Westphalia is often cited as the origin of “NATIONALISM” but it failed to implement #3:

#3: Sortocracy grants States territorial value in proportion to a census of their members. Sortocracy issues cash flow to States for territorial rent. This money is backed by territorial value. States then competitively bid to rent territory from Sortocracy.

As a consequence the word “Lebensraum” is, in Holocaustiandom, the very embodiment of evil when it is, in fact, the very embodiment of a sustainable international order.

To first order I don’t give a rats ass about sub-taxa of who was responsible for subverting the Transfer Agreement. If there is a “kill them all” moral to this story, it is to kill THEM all. To second order, and to address the issue of “whounnit” in the case of crucifying the innocent victim of the world seeking merely to bring light unto the NATIONS,:

Anyone who absolves those “Jews” that view Lemkin’s definition of “genocide” as reserved only to defend “Jews”, must be among those so-laser-designated.

But even more to the point:

Those who think the burden of proof can involve “Mens rea” when a people are in the death throes of being wiped out, as are the people of the West today, AND also as are Israelis, are also among those so-laser-designated. And that includes Lemkin with that dirty little word “intentional”.

PS: And I dedicate this little poem, inspired by a woman 18 years my senior who thought Disraeli might be a kind of model for our relationship and who may very well have had a Jewish grandparent, to the Hypatia’s of the world:

Women Weave
Men Cut
A Time To Weave
Way Past Time To CUT

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What do you mean, “the Hypatias of this world”?
Gentiles married to Jews?
Female lawyers?
Lawyers in general?
Women in general?
Women who presume to interact with you?

And also, what does your little poem mean?

( As usual with you, I’m humbly asking.)

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I ask this question sincerely… if Democrats today are anti Semitic and most American Jews vote Democrat (70 to 75 percent) then are they voting for friend or enemy?

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…and I tried to answer sincerely above. My BMD does not vote Dem, so he also can only speculate about why so many Jews do. I had two close Jewish women college friends, whom I actually lost when they found out I supported Trump in 2016. (But then the 3 Prots in our little friendship group abandoned me,too; TDS is no respecter of ethnicity.)

Maybe they don’t wanna be typecast? Like, I hate it when people assume I’ll have a certain opinion because I’m a woman…..but then, Jews being Dems IS a “type”…

Is it the memory of “country-club racism” which they associate more with Republicans?

Has it got something to do with internecine rivalries and prejudices within American Jewry? This is a huge topic which nobody who isn’t Jewish seems to know much about. I read a novel, “Too Jewish” by Pattie Friedmann, which exposes this phenomenon in excruciating detail. I really recommend that book. It illuminated the shadows cast by remarks my parents- in - law made occasionally.

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Almost but not quite.

“Women weave.”

Jews conquered the West and women such as yourself, responded accordingly.

But there is an exceedingly virulent aspect to the way “the nations” have cultured Jews:

Centralize wealth and power to the point of collapse (this happens regardless of the form of government across all nations).

Only a “fool” would not, imbued with a group memory of multiple civilizational cycles, not seek to be present in the centers of power so that one can, upon collapse, take the money and run to the next civilization.

Some Jews are “fools” and some Jews are not “fools”.

What does this culture?

What evolutionary strategies does this evolve?

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So I reckon you’re saying,
if Jews hadn’t achieved widespread cultural acceptance, breached the citadels of privilege in our country,
then my BMD never would have been studying at the University if Pennsylvania,
…and he and I never woulda met?
You can’t be saying I took a summer course at Penn that summer of my 18th year so that I could “weave”,my future married to a wealthy Jew. Or can ya?
(if so, lemme assure you, marriage was the very last thing on my mind that summer. Even after we fell in love I thought I had an unlimited amount of time, a sempiternity of dating ahead of me. Marriage wasn’t cool during that period.)
Or are you saying that IS what I was doing even though I didn’t KNOW it?
Again I’m not challenging you. I’d like to understand what you meant, but after your response I still don’t.

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