Imagine a political movement actually being worried about losing Jewish support if money and Mossad weren’t involved.
My friend said this not me, I am merely the messenger
What do you mean?
What movement has Jewish support? All “political movements” rely on money. What movement depends on Mossad for support? Seems to me no one ever says,”It was the Mossad behind this!” except as a way of impugning the movement under discussion.
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It’s not the Zionists, the Mossad, the Neocons, the Marxists … it’s all an evolutionary adaptation to selective pressures that “Zionism” promised to remedy, but then turned into a nightmare. It’s kind of “amusing” that I’m a pariah among Jews, anti-semites and Christian ZIonists because of my vocal support of the original intent of Zionism.
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James Delingpole:
Are the Jews really God’s chosen people, though? Possibly. Some of them. But to answer that question you first have to decide what is meant by the word ‘Jew’, which is more complicated than you might think. For example, in the Second Century BC, under the governance of Maccabean leader and high priest John Hyrcanus, the populace of Judaea was forcibly converted to the religion of Judaea (first called ‘Judaism’ by the Greeks). While this may have made them ‘Jews’ by religious affiliation, it didn’t make them inheritors of the Abrahamic covenant by birthright. That’s because Judaea, by that stage, was a multiracial, polyglot nation containing large numbers of Canaanites and Edomites. These, you will recall from your Old Testament reading, are among the tribes that God enjoined the Children of Israel to destroy - and so, you might not unreasonably argue, the very opposite of His ‘chosen people.’
Edit: Link to his Substack post can be found here…
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The Edomites,or Idumeans, were also descendants of Abe and Ike, via Jake’s twin brother Esau. so they were “Children of Abraham”: Jews, whether religiously or not.( It makes me think, conversely, of the USSR, where the religion had pretty much been eradicated but the government knew who the Jews were, even if the individuals themselves didn’t know..) And the Edomites weren’t threatened with death, they were given the choice to convert or go elsewhere. Pret-ty mild, as “forcible conversion” goes. Additionally, as far as I know this is the only instance of proselytization (if you can call it that) in Jewish history.
The honorable James M. C. Delingpole is just taking up the slur we hear so often now: “the Israelis are the new Nazis!”and dressing it up in old-timey costume. “‘See! The Jews did it to the Edomites, so it’s time they get a taste of their own medicine,” But of course all those ephods and breastplates and greaves WILL dazzle a lot of people.
Oh! And “religious people to believe whatever they were brought up to believe by their trusted authority? “. Um, yuh. That’s kinda what distinguishes religions from cults, that they’re inherited, not inculcated.
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If Pastor John Hagee didn’t warn his flock that a turn of the millennium false flag would be used to get their Scotch Irish sons raised on Christian-Zionism suckered into a mideastern war, then he should turn his ministry over to me before God judges HIM, a False Prophet.
People thought I was crazy then and they think my theory of the evolution of Jewish Virulence is anti-Zionist and anti-semitic now when it is simply anti-Satanic as well as being the likely only salvation of Jews and Israel.
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Interesting definition. That implies that converts are joining a cult, not a religion — like, say, the Twelve Apostles or Paul. Presumably, early Christians were considered cultists by their contemporaries. Along that line of reasoning, a cult can mature into a religion by mere persistence: a cult that lasts long enough gets to call itself a religion. I suspect most religious individuals would take exception to that.
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They probably would “take exception”,but you’re right: I reckon all religions start out as cults. They hafta start somewhere. This is the definition I remember encountering in Anthro 101. Maybe we just start calling it a religion if it gets big enough and believers start breeding believers . And it has to outlive the charismatic founder., I sometimes think of the relation between religion and cult as comparable to that between between culture and fashion.
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That’s an atheistic take on religion — unsurprising I suppose in the modern West. Anthropology departments were on the bleeding edge of leftism. You know that they say, if you’re on the bleeding edge, you’re using the knife wrong.
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Ah, I get it, you’d say the difference is religion (or one religion) is true, and the precepts of cults aren’t.
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Certainly, that’s what every single religious person should say. Otherwise, what’s the point?
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They should indeed! and, at various bloody ruptures in history, they do, I totes agree! None of this “coexist” crap. The only question is whether the creed will turn its eyes inward, let the rest of the world go to hell its own way, or whether it’ll make war on the unbelievers.
(of course, an ideology does not have to be a religion in order to do that, but it helps.)
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I have been long awaiting appearance of that bumper sticker in an Islamic country. BTW, bumper sticker is a synecdoche for demoncrat ideology. It is shallow, thin, yet tenacious beyond all reason, particularly adherent to inanimate objects engaged in collisions; it clings best to mindless, inarticulate individuals incapable of reasoned argument - the analog of a shout or scream.
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Brilliant, CW!
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Muslims only pretend to coexist when they are the minority. Gaslighting people about Islam phobia is part of this phase. Once they reach critical mass or even worse a majority they will not coexist.
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As Taleb explained, the intolerant minority prevails.
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You don’t get it. I care what you think. I don’t care about your judgement of my character based on some shortcut you developed to judge people.
I take issue with anyone and everyone that supports something based on race, ethnic group, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. When someone supports something because it is good or bad for some group, that is nothing less than putting some group ahead of the whole. Take notice of our discussion on abortion. Did you argue abortion is good for the country or did you argue that it was good for women (or the equivalent that not allowing abortion was detrimental to women).
In this case, if you support Israel because of its Jewish population or because the religion of the Palestinians, you are the racist and calling everyone else antisemitic.
First, you are extrapolating from some individuals you know into a generalization of everyone.
When individuals are so emotional that they will not talk to someone about a topic they don’t really have full knowledge, it is likely they have been brainwashed.
This may or may not be antisemitism in your specific relationships. My guess is they believe all propaganda. They believe Israel is trying to eliminate all Palestinians. Indiscriminately killing people as policy. This may be due to hatred of Jews or simply because they believe the propaganda.
The truth is that in any conflict there is propaganda from both sides. If someone thinks they know with certainty what is actually happening without first hand experience, they are a fool. Sorry to say, but that may include you if you are certain Israel would not do anything bad History has shown that every political organization from the Catholic Church to the US government has done really bad things. They not only lie about it, but they support a propaganda effort that discredits any opposition.
Many people, maybe most people, in the West expect war to happen without anything bad happening. This is delusional and self defeating. But it isn’t proof of antisemitism any more than it is anti-American to not support war that has occurred without the approval or support of the people.
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