Let’s hope his death will be the REAL “Turning Point USA”.
Do yourself a favor and do NOT watch the video.
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Political violence is ramping up. This is not unexpected but it is dismaying nonetheless.
A suspect is in custody.
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That guy has already been let go. They have no one in custody.
How do people bear a thing like this? I mean, if they knew and loved the person? I spent the weekend with some of my daughter’s peers, all Charlie Kirk’s age. The thought of any of them being snuffed out is soul-shattering. The precious young man. Oh God where were you?
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The New York Yankees just held a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk.
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What is your source for this?
As of 18:21 EDT, the suspect was still in custody according the the FBI director.
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Right away they showed a picture of a bald old guy taken down; then, I heard from multiple reports that he had been released. So maybe they did get a suspect since then ? I hope so. Patel seems to be the latest word.
I trust Karol, Mollie’s friend. It appears that some other person was arrested.
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Yes I just read that too.
Further confusion in the fog of war: apparently, this suspect also has been released and the shooter is still at large.
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“The tyrant dies and his rule is over; the martyr dies and his rule begins.”
– Søren Kierkegaard
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I bet the NYT (“all the new that fits our narrative”) will be reminding us - again and in perpetuity starting today - that it is the right who are the “haters”. “Don’t believe the repeated lefty violence (and absence of violence by the right) you see regularly with your lyin’ eyes”.
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I agree with 95% of this post on X. Apologies for pasting the entire thing.
There was a long period of time where I didn’t like Charlie Kirk. Some of it was resentment, because I felt he was paid to be a young guy parroting the politics and opinions of old guys with a young face. The same ineffective politics and old ideas of the same ineffective people that gatekept the politics of anons out of the GOP because we weren’t “respectable” enough for them, or came from the right career track or pedigree.
And I still hold that opinion about those early years. But the thing that made Kirk important and effective wasn’t having original ideas or being an edgy thinker, it was that he was an expert propagator of ideas to the masses, to regular people. And perhaps 3-4 years ago, I saw the ideas he professed begin to change a bit, to update to newer ideas. And over time, those ideas that he was so good at propagating to so many people, though not all of them, started to resemble the ones we were having on here. My opinion of him had become much more favorable in recent years.
Kirk was obviously a good man, and strategically for the GOP, an important one. Men like that with limitless enthusiasm and the drive to work hard in this business are a very finite resource, and the right is diminished at having a man like that gone from its ranks. But more importantly, and the source of plenty of ire from our part of the right, Kirk was a moderate. I am seeing lots of leftist chatter where they gleefully state “that’s what happens to nazis ;)” and the rhetorical reason they’ll brand a guy who’s that wholesome and open to debate as an extremist is so they can brand those of us further to the right of him as absolute monsters.
But guys like Kirk are the golden retrievers of the right. Despite all the shit we threw at him from the cheap seats over the years, I never saw him throw any vitriol or frustration back, and it would have been easy to do and he would have gotten away with it just fine if he had.
Instead, he listened. That’s what he came to colleges to do, that’s what he attempted to do with those who treated him poorly for his beliefs, and that’s what those close to him, many of whom I know, say that he was personally really great at as a friend.
Which is why I was a little surprised that I kept getting more and more angry about what happened today as I saw people talk about his career and their relationships with him. Whatever disagreements we may have had, it’s beyond obvious that Kir was a good man, and it is a tragedy when a good man is killed by a bad one.
Because if they will try to kill our politicians, if they will kill our most moderate activists, that means they would dance on the graves of the rest of us without a shred of guilt. And in my mind, which was made up long ago, this only further reinforces the fact that this conflict is existential.
In murdering Charlie Kirk and having so many of their ilk celebrate it, the left has more or less proven that they impose no limits upon themselves. There is no reason for anyone remotely normal, anyone who is not a hateful freak, to be in league with the people celebrating this. The only way this ends is to dismantle and disempower the poisonous worldview that we are up against, utterly, because they will tolerate nothing less than total domination over the rest of us, even if they have to use violence.
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“they impose no limits upon themselves”…… yes, exactly. It reminds me of the fall of Phnom Pen, when the Khmer Rouge drove the residents of the city out into the jungle. An utter, simple rout, even to emptying out the hospitals: the sick and dying, people running with their beloved patients in wheelchairs or on gurneys, still attached to intravenous fluid bottles. Powerfully emblematic of the death of civilization.
Thats what we’re facing.
The Left has been incubating this audacity for a long time now. I doubt we can match it, now the rout is upon us.
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I shuddered when I saw a Marxist scholar posting this in the context of Kirk’s assassination:
The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses. Theory is capable of gripping the masses as soon as it demonstrates ad hominem, and it demonstrates ad hominem as soon as it becomes radical. To be radical is to grasp the root of the matter. But, for man, the root is man himself. The evident proof of the radicalism of German theory, and hence of its practical energy, is that is proceeds from a resolute positive abolition of religion. The criticism of religion ends with the teaching that man is the highest essence for man – hence, with the categoric imperative to overthrow all relations in which man is a debased, enslaved, abandoned, despicable essence, relations which cannot be better described than by the cry of a Frenchman when it was planned to introduce a tax on dogs: Poor dogs! They want to treat you as human beings!
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“Theory is capable of gripping the masses as soon as it demonstrates аd hominem”
That could be the epitaph for our country, of our freedom based in large part on the principle that we do not punish pure speech or pure thought.
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You have to know and understand your enemy. Watch the video so you understand the implications of calling people Hitler.
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People keep saying: this is a pivotal moment, this changes everything. I said something like that myself in this OP.
But when you think about it: what can change?
Does someone on our side assassinate the rabid socialist in NY? Or some of the loudmouth Dem members of Congress? Are we saying that’s what SHOULD happen?
Remember the first guy “they” ( who? FBI? Campus police? ) took down, the Sanders lookalike? This morning I heard, just as a throwaway line on some report, that he was “on the radar” having Xeeted or posted derogatory things about Kirk.
So does that mean they were watching him, knew exactly where he waS in the crowd?
OK wait a minute….what level of surveillance does THAT imply? Is our present government going to pre-emptively detain anybody with Leftist views, in a mirror- image of what the UK is doing?
(I’d like to say I wouldn’t mind a bit of that for a change, but I can’t. Not and maintain my 1A creds.)
If we behave like the Left, producing lone assassins like Hodgkinson, Crooks, Routh, Mangione—then I reckon we’re in a shooting war, a real war.
If we don’t do that, but allow the violence to force the government into repressive measures, we’ve also played into their hands: that’s the traditional goal of anarchism.
Maybe we think Kirk’s martyrdom will change “hearts and minds”. But that has already happened to the majority, or Trump wouldnta won the election last year.
If this Is a “turning point”,
Which way shall we turn?
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We shall turn in the direction of accountability. The many on the left who yell Hitler, threat to democracy, et cetera are headed for legal hell. There are well funded organizations behind a lot of this hate mongering, and Trump and his lieutenants will likely ferret them out.
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