The Crazy Years

Funny how many stereotypes are supported by this analysis


The link returns not found. Your charts don’t say which side is which, and making a logical guess could be sterotyping ( :slight_smile: )


Look in the bottom of the two charts…


Since the link returns “not found” and I am too lazy to do an independent search (obviously not top STEM Doctoral Student material), I can’t check on the backgrounds of those “top STEM Doctoral Students” – nor on who decided to classify them as “top”.

Based on my occasional contacts with universities, a reasonable guess at the national origins of “top STEM Doctoral Students” would be 2/3 Chinese and 1/3 Indian/Pakistani, with North Americans & Europeans too few for any meaningful statistics. Similar comment applies to the “Profoundly Gifted Top 0.01%” – once we have discarded 9,999 out of 10,000 STEM doctoral students, the remaining pool must be very small, perhaps too small for meaningful statistics.




You can find the article at this page Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth | Vanderbilt University – look for a mention and a link towards the middle of the page (link here, but it may not work for you directly since it’s pretty much the same link as before)

SMPY follows in the footsteps of Terman’s initial study launched at Stanford. And here is a piece by Lubinski on what we’ve learned since Terman.

Steve Hsu has been writing on SMPY findings on and off since about 2009. A fairly recent entry point might be this post.

As an aside, I think this sub-thread deserves its own topic away and outside of the “Crazy year” topic. It’s a serious non-crazy set of findings that we as society can ignore at our own peril.


Well, you were the one who put it in the Crazy Years topic! :grinning:

I agree with you – since the forward movement of humanity is critically dependent on a very tiny subset of the population (such as Newton, Curie, Einstein, Feynman), the views of current Top Doctoral Students deserve serious study.


I wonder if it’s possible to extract a sub-thread and make it a full thread? The link was incorrectly hyperlinked by Discourse to include the colon in the end.


Prompt: Please write a humorous poem about financial charts that climb to the sky and investors who bet on them.


There once were some charts that would soar,
Investors would bet and adore.
They’d climb to the sky,
Oh, so high, oh my!
Till reality knocked at their door.

With lines that went up without bound,
Investors felt joy all around.
But soon they found out,
There was room for some doubt,
As their dreams came crashing to the ground.

They thought they were making a kill,
But the market had plans to fulfill.
With twists and with turns,
Their stomachs would churn,
As their portfolios suffered the spill.

So remember, dear investors, take heed,
Financial charts can mislead.
Don’t put all your hope,
On a graph’s upward slope,
Or you might end up in financial need!


That is incorrect - @eggspurt posted the original table from Lubisnki 2023 in this post

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A Russian submarine commander blamed for atrocities in Ukraine was gunned down on his morning jog in Krasnodar—and his killer likely knew just where to find him thanks to his habit of posting his running routes on a popular exercise app.


My apologies, GMS. I should pay more attention to the author of each specific post. Mea culpa!


I created a new top-level topic Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth - not crazy, but definitely takes years


Ian Miles Cheong on Twitter: “What’s happening.” / Twitter

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ctrl-alt-delete rebooted him:

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The five best-paid California mayors, from high to low:

San Francisco

Los Angeles


San Diego

Long Beach


This is the Royal Caribbean Superspreader Icon class cruise ship Icon of the Seas, due to enter service in 2024. This vessel has gross tonnage of 250,800, which is more than five times that of the Titanic (46,329). With double occupancy, it accommodates 5610 passengers and has a maximum capacity of 7600 passengers, tended to by a crew of 2350.

There are 20 decks, seven swimming pools, and 6 water slides.

Of course it will be illuminated in pastel colours when plying the waters of the Caribbean by night. Avast! Black flag on the horizon, skipper!

There are many more pictures on the Royal Caribbean Blog post announcing the ship. Many resemble the utopian images of interiors of space colonies from the technological optimism apex of the early 1970s.

It will, of course, be based in Miami, Florida.

There are no artists’ renderings of accommodations for the crew.

Rumours that rival cruise ship operator Carnival Corporation plans to launch an even larger ship, Wretched Excess, are unconfirmed.

You would ask about lifeboats, wouldn’t you? Here’s what Cruise Mummy says:

Do cruise ships have enough lifeboats for everybody on board?

Cruise ships do not usually have enough lifeboats for every last person on board, but they will normally have enough for every guest. Most crew members will use inflatable life rafts instead of lifeboats.

There is always provision for every person on board a ship to be safely rescued, but physically it would be almost impossible to provide enough lifeboats for everyone on the ship.

Lifeboats can only take up so much space along each side of the ship, and they need to be able to be lowered to the ocean.

Also, lifeboats need a person on the ship to launch them, so there has to be an alternate way for them to then evacuate the ship. They could hardly jump once the lifeboat has been lowered.

Cruise lines don’t have to provide enough lifeboats for all passengers according to law. As long as there is enough capacity for 37.5% of passengers alongside each side of the ship in lifeboats (so 75% total), then the rest can be carried in life rafts (source).



Mirror, mirror on the girl,
who’s the one that makes you hurl?

On the other hand, who would you choose to open a beer bottle with his/her/its bare teeth?


Ouch. That’s gotta hurt. Or maybe just don’t post like that to the Internet.