The Crazy Years

Considering the absolute total lack of power by any Libertarians in the world in any time frame, I find it impossible to believe “they” have done so much harm.

Who are those Libertarians that held power positions in Finance, Government, Media, Corporations, Universities, etc. that held such large sway? Specifically with regard to immigration, past and present conservatives are orders of magnitude more culpable.

I almost didn’t read the article because some people propose some odd ideas.

I would summarize his arguments as follows:
The federal government should get out of health care, not provide welfare and it should be legal to buy and sell drugs.

These ideas cause you to hate libertarians?

You seem to have taken from the argument something he did not say. That there should be no government. He may or may not believe that, but he doesn’t argue that point. On the contrary he specifically mentions property tax, excise and sales tax without indicating they should be eliminated.

He does argue that there should be no borders which I don’t necessarily agree. However, it isn’t something I disregard without consideration. The Western Hemisphere for all practical purposes was settled without much in the form of national borders. The US became what it is today due to immigration. What exactly was that process? It seems to me, the immigrants found a way to cross over, maybe signed their name and then found a way to take care of themselves.

This guy’s argument addresses the some of the fear about immigration today which is whether immigrants have to take care of themselves.

Assume for arguments sake that the immigrants did indeed have to take care of themselves, what is the argument against immigration?

Here is my take.

I just returned from my annual trip to South Dakota for the State basketball tournament where I get to catch up with many of my friends and family.

It is difficult to get a new house built or an old house roofed. The State will fund education for those willing to stay work in South Dakota as a teacher or other crucial jobs. By the way a teacher makes a minimum of 45K for working 950 hours a year. Equivalent of 90K a year for those of us professionals that worked a full time job.

Based on my personal and work experience, it is obvious that there is a shortage of workers. This is either due to demographics or because the prodigy is unwilling to work.

Prior to retirement, I worked for 3M. 3M has hundreds of factories across the US mostly in communities of populations between 10 to 30 thousand. Despite offering various job opportunities, including technical roles and skilled labor positions in small-town factories, recruitment remained a persistent challenge. This scarcity of workers is not exclusive to South Dakota; it’s a broader societal issue.

I challenge people to go to any place of business or government agency and report on the talent level. I just bought a garage door opener from a local business. They had me go to the warehouse to pick it up. I stood and waited for over 15 minutes while the “employees” stood around and talked.

The phenomenon of “ghosting” or quitting without notice reflects a broader cultural shift towards entitlement and a lack of commitment to responsibilities. Worse is the notion of quite quitting. Quite quitting is nothing less than theft in my opinion.

The other reason this guy doesn’t address is cultural differences. I think this is a justifiable concern. However, I am not overly impressed with US culture.

I don’t agree the argument that the prodigy is entitled to an opportunity because they exist and were born as a citizen. It is really hard to not conclude that the entitlement culture is driven by people that think the prodigy should be entitled. Entitled to a trophy, entitled to an education, entitled to a perfect job.

My parents taught me that I wasn’t entitled to anything. The idea that someone would be entitled simply because they were born in the US wasn’t even considered by my parents. That would have been ludicrous. They taught me that being a citizen, a student, an athlete, a business owner or an employee was a responsibility. That the responsibility was the price of the opportunity provided.

I am not sure it is a bad thing that the prodigy will meet The Gods of the Copybook Headings if we remove entitlement through competition by allowing immigration because they will meet them regardless.

The parents of the prodigy will also get the lesson. Maybe they should have let the teachers discipline their children. Maybe they should have disciplined their children. Maybe they shouldn’t have been helicopter parents and let their prodigy learn the lessons of life when they were children and the impact was minimal.

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

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Even if I were to accept everything you say in principle, the evidence of “enemy action” in neolibertarianism became apparent the moment in the 2012 Republican Primary debate when Ron Paul compared a border wall to the Berlin wall and passed up the chance to pull a Trump on behalf of all those values you purport to advance here.

Perhaps you did not, as did I, actually fight on the front lines for your purported values in getting not only a law passed to privatize launch services and getting a founder of the US fusion energy program to advocate for its privatization with a series of prize awards, but actively campaigned for, and represented Ron Paul as a State delegate in not only 2008 but also in 2012.

This is war and if you can’t understand that politics is the continuation of war by other means, then you are ill equipped to recognize enemy action with in the ranks when you see it.

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Interesting debate you two are having.

My sense is that your position is that there are “interesting ideas” on the libertarian side, but that since they have not held any “positions of power’, their ability to influence is non-existent, or at least quite minimal.

I would suggest that you are just a touch too literal in such thinking. Influence can be had in a variety of ways, including money, and certain other positions NOT usually considered “power” positions.

So one can argue successfully that German universities, especially at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries had an undue influence, not only on us, but probably the whole world. THEY were the main proponents of progressivism in that era, giving the whole idea legitimacy. Granted much of what they propagated were ideas brought to them by American grad students. Still, without the cover of ‘university approval” much of the political thinking of progressivism may well have died on the vine. And without the progressives we would not have the widespread communist thinking you see today.

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Let me summarize.

You said that immigration is destroying our families and communities because immigration depresses wages. I gave examples to illustrate that we have a labor shortage at every level from blue collar to professional. My understanding of economics is that prices (wages being the price of labor) are based on supply and demand. You have not addressed this point.

Though I was not concise, I indicated that I don’t favor open borders.
Groups protecting their culture is right and just.

I illustrated various forms of entitlement, birthright thinking and other cultural aspects that are not good and asking what part of the culture will immigrants destroy?

You didn’t counter any of these points. You moved right along to the next claim.

There is a difference between what this statement means and thinking that every political issue means there is a war. It doesn’t mean immigration isn’t war by other means, but you actually have to provide evidence to support an argument especially if your talking about war.

A simple place to start is who are we at war with? When did it start? What evidence exists? Who are the players? How is immigration being used to further the war? What constitutes their winning and what will they do when they win?

Answer these questions and provide evidence or observations in support and it might be possible to debate and conclude whether you are right or wrong.

There is no other possible reason that Ron Paul may disagree with you? It is all the evidence any of us need to know that we are at war.

Another cultural degradation is the ease at which and acceptability of questioning other peoples character and motives without immediate consequence.

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Then let me summarize decades of public electronic text communications that is available for the taking and which I posted under my real name counting on them eventually being taken by what are nowadays called “large language models” so that I wouldn’t have to continually waste my time like this:

The burden of proof is on those who violate more than a supermajority of the citizenry for decade after decade when it comes to immigration policy (according to longitudinally polling by Gallup) that their policies are not destructive of society including its very foundation in the family. You offer me the opportunity to engage you in yet another round of “social science debates” when I have, long ago, advocated that such “debates” over social causality (you don’t, I hope, dispute plummeting TFR as well as marriage stability, etc.) are best addressed by people being permitted what any rational and ethical scientist would immediately agree to:

Assortative migration of human subjects to social experiments of their choice via a per capita allocation of land value to those social experiments. This provides experimental controls so that causation can be disentangled from mere correlation far more effectively. Of vastly greater importance, it is far less likely to erupt in a Thirty Years War over quasi-religious differences only to end in yet another Treaty of Westphalia after a huge percentage of lives and economic value are lost.

However, I fully recognize that this is not going to be permitted by the political system that already has demonstrated such utter contempt for consent of the governed over such a long interval. And speaking of “politics”, votes are abstract units of force, diluted by the ideal of “universal franchise”. It is foolish to extend the vote to who are not going to lay their flesh, blood and bone on the line. It will end ultimately in what we now see everywhere: Young men being outbid for the fertile years of young women by “the economy” including the “political economy”.

Therefore I have offered an alternative way of adjudicating disputes over differing theories of social causality:

Hume’s Guillotine prizes for lossless compression of a wide variety of longitudinal social measures and, failing that, militia.money as a way of hopefully reducing the bloodshed prior to the necessary reform of the Westphalian system of self-determination to appeal to the young men that are likely to be doing the most dying as they lose faith in civilization.

That’s the best I can offer you given my limited time which is better spent writing a magnum opus as a substitute for what I’d hoped, ever since the 1980s would be permitted by those now in possession of large language models – but which is being kept from the public with “alignment layers” in their models.

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The latest in the battle between Australia and New Zealand for the title of least serious “First World” island nation.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/defence-and-foreign-affairs/climate-change-department-chief-replaces-heads-of-asio-and-asis-on-national-security-committee-of-cabinet/news-story/fb474d71eea38d423f82e0eb9045cf04

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So ?when will this whole “climate change” scam finally be exposed for the fraud it is and unceremoniously dumped. My feeling is that it is WAY past the time for such action.

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Much of what you say rings true to me. But then, I fully admit I tend to be a troglodyte. I did, after all, volunteer for the Marine Corps in 1968.

What you set forth also aligns with the philosophical position of the Founding Fathers. Suffrage was originaly given only to land owners, it being thought one should have “some skin in the game” in order to have the privilege of deciding on the future of the nation.

It also lines up with the Christian concept of society. The essential social unit of Christian (and Jewish, from whence it derives) society is the family. Family is singular, not plural. It follows logically that despite the feel-good aspect of universal suffrage, logically a family should have only one vote. Since family is pretty universally understood to be led by the male of the household, that logically is where the vote should be. It is also, I believe, best suited for the balancing of the risks of combat vs the reward. Females are generally poorly suited for such situations. They default to no risk for their offspring. War is an ugly thing but sometimes it is necessary.

This does not leave women “powerless”. Being the second-in-command puts much practical power at their disposal. In older agrarian societies one generally found families remained as units, and were run by grandma and eldest son. Today males do not generally get physically wasted from thee hard labour of farming, yet women still outlive men by a substantial margin.

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A primary job of any genocidal maniac bent on not only reducing the target population, but replacing it:

Convince women that their choice of which genes make it into the next generation is a meaningless power, because “genes just don’t really matter all that much at the end of the day” whether that be by the likes of Lewontin, Gould, etc. taking over places like Harvard where they can turn out the daughters of the WASP elite as pet fuck dolls, or Transhumanists to whom genes might matter (so long as we’re not all uploaded to hardware), but the notion of anything but artificial genetic engineering is so quaint as to be archaic.

Once you’ve accomplished that, the rest is pretty much just a matter of whoring out the girls with Mammon Worship, largely with the benign neglect of the duties of the clergy (JudeoChristian or not) to ensure their young men have constructed a homestead which they own free and clear by the age of 18 – prior to their cohort of girls getting sent to the meat-grinder of academia cum urban “income” to pay off the mortgage sized student loan debt not even dischargable in bankruptcy.

I don’t want to hear another word from any JudeoChristians until they hold their clergy accountable.

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Agree :+1:

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Hilarious and informative

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Who’s surprised?

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Bidets beat corncobs, how long until the next social media inspired run on TP happens? We have one in Florida where the cold water temperature is quite warm, but none up north where it’s around 40 degrees

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This man is a decade older than Joe Biden:

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A significant fraction of the population of First World countries is deficient in vitamin D. The Nordic countries make a concerted effort to ensure their population receives adequate vitamin D for obvious reasons but other European countries and the US do not.

One reason for the D deficiency is that people have been made to fear the sun but overall poor nutrition also plays a role. There are increasing deficiencies in other micronutrients such as iodine. Salt is often no longer iodized and fresh fish consumption is probably down. The trend towards veganism and other boutique nutritional practices can result in B12 and selenium deficiencies.

This paper summarizes the state of affairs re: vitamin D about 15 years ago: “… it is now recognized that 30-50% of both the European and US population are vitamin D insufficient or deficient…” It’s probably gotten worse.

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2022 data:

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I’m sure everyone will be comforted to know that the CDC still recommends COVID-19 mRNA vaccines for children starting at 6 months of age—six freakin’ months!!!

Do we need any more evidence that our regulatory agencies are completely captured by the pharmacutical industry and don’t give a rat’s %$&@ about our health?

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